Most expensive Model S Guesses

[smorgasbord]

I don't remember seeing this in another thread, but if I missed it, feel free to delete/merge this into the original.

I'm thinking a fully equipped Model S Signature will cost more than US $110K (before rebates). Here's my thinking:

300K Base model: $77,400
Special Paint: $ 2,500
Panorama Sunroof: $ 5,000
Upgraded Sound: $ 4,000
Upgraded Interior trim: $4,000
Sport Package: $20,000 (Same as Roadster. Think Air Suspension (+$5.5K) plus larger wheels (+$3K) plus upgraded tires (+$1.5K) plus motor/PEM ($10K)
Rear Jump Seats: $ 1,200
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Total: $114,100

And, that's assuming there isn't a super-upgraded carbon fiber interior trim upgrade option, like there is in the Roadster. And that's not including delivery and taxes, etc.

At any rate, I'll be shocked if the top price is less than $100K.

A second question is: What's the cheapest Model S Signature possible? It seems the sunroof is optional (according to Design Studio), so I'd expect the jump seats to be optional. I could imagine the Sport package being required, although that be controversial. I think the upgraded interior and sound system will be standard on the Sigs. That still puts the Sig to be starting at $88K.

 

[Mycroft]

The Sig should come standard with the paint, audio, trim, leather and air suspension. So the base should run $90k
The sport package should run $10k more, hitting $100k
If you add in the jump seats, pano roof, extended warranty, and second charger, you'll easily be knocking on $110k.

You've gotta pay to play!

We had a poll earlier about the maximum people would spend on the car but not the price of a maxed out car. If I recall, my max was $110k, but hopefully it'll be between $100-105k

 

[AnOutsider]

There's an interview where elon says "all the way up to 100k". If that's post-credit, then 107,500.00

 

[Doug_G]

I've heard $8k to $10k for the sport package.

 

[goyogi]

I'd agree with AnOutsider. I don't think that Tesla wants the word to go out that it costs more that 100k fully loaded. And I think they want it to be comparable to a fully loaded M5 which comes in around 100k. Now 10K for the upgraded PEM/motor? I think I can do that. I thought it would be more. We'll see how my investments go next year.

There's an interview where elon says "all the way up to 100k". If that's post-credit, then 107,500.00

 

[Mycroft]

@goyogi, that's $10k more than the already loaded Signature Edition, not $10k more than the base 300 mile pack. Plus it's only a guess. It could end up being much more or much less.

 

[ckessel]

I think it'd be a big marketing mistake to have even a loaded Model S approach the base Roadster cost. Tesla catches a ton of flack for making "cars only for rich people" and making the Model S that spendy is giving ammo to say "Yea, $57k base, but the car you want to buy is the same as a Roadster, they're not a car company for real people".

Plus, as a Sig holder, I put down a Sig reservation on Tesla promise that a Sig would be "Full loaded for around 80k". If the fully loaded car is really $100k, then Tesla is failing to deliver on their pitch to Sig holders. Tesla needs to avoid pissing off their biggest early adopters. The only big extra I'll grant beyond the base Sig price is the sport mode.

 

[Mycroft]

Even $50,000 is a car for "rich people".

ckessel, I think you're picking a fight where one doesn't really exist. "Around $80k" post-rebate is around $90k pre-rebate. Both smorgasbord and I were playing with pre-rebate numbers.

 

[ckessel]

Even $50,000 is a car for "rich people".

ckessel, I think you're picking a fight where one doesn't really exist. "Around $80k" post-rebate is around $90k pre-rebate. Both smorgasbord and I were playing with pre-rebate numbers.

There's a world of difference between a $50-60k car and a $100k car. I don't know a single person with a $100k car. I know lots with $50-60k cars (engineers and other technical professionals with good, but not incredible paychecks).

I'm not sure what "fight" you think I'm picking though.

 

[AnOutsider]

Even $50,000 is a car for "rich people".

ckessel, I think you're picking a fight where one doesn't really exist. "Around $80k" post-rebate is around $90k pre-rebate. Both smorgasbord and I were playing with pre-rebate numbers.

Not only that, but I have no illusions that the sig edition will have EVERY single option. I expect to have to fork out more for the sport version, and aero wheels (if I wanted them). I think the sig editions will be nicely packaged, but I fully expect there to be things you can add on.

As for pricing, there are Audis you can buy sub-50k and option up to close to 100k (same with BMW I believe, and I KNOW with Porsche).

 

[Mycroft]

ckessel, if the 300 mile *BASE* model sells for $80,000, (including dest. charges), how much are you expecting to pay for a "fully loaded" signature edition?

Keeping in mind that the Sig will feature the following probable upgrades:

- Premium paint
- Premium trim
- Premium Leather
- Premium audio
- NAV
- Air suspension
- 21" wheels

The options that do not appear to be included in the Sig:

- 2nd 10kw charger
- Panoramic roof
- Sport package
- jump seats
- extended warranty

 

[ckessel]

I was going to respond, but in thinking on it I'm not sure what your point is. Tesla said the Sig would be "fully loaded for around $80k". If they meet that great. With statements that fully loaded will be near $100k, I'm not sure how those fit together. We'll see once option pricing comes I guess.

 

[JRod0802]

I think it'd be a big marketing mistake to have even a loaded Model S approach the base Roadster cost. Tesla catches a ton of flack for making "cars only for rich people" and making the Model S that spendy is giving ammo to say "Yea, $57k base, but the car you want to buy is the same as a Roadster, they're not a car company for real people".

I respectfully disagree. Tesla's number one goal is to survive and expand. Going out of their way to not allow unfair criticisms is probably much much lower on Tesla's list of priorities.

Surviving and expanding, right now, means making a good car with good margins. Higher margins on the car mean that they can get to Bluestar faster and make it better. Having Bluestar out sooner and having it be better will do much more good for Tesla (in the long run) than preventing the high-price of the Model S from being too high.

Haters are gonna hate. If Tesla prevented the Model S from being too high priced, the haters would just find something else. They'll only stop when Tesla is a large successful business and electric cars are wide spread, at which point they'll say they liked Tesla all along.

Plus, as a Sig holder, I put down a Sig reservation on Tesla promise that a Sig would be "Full loaded for around 80k". If the fully loaded car is really $100k, then Tesla is failing to deliver on their pitch to Sig holders. Tesla needs to avoid pissing off their biggest early adopters. The only big extra I'll grant beyond the base Sig price is the sport mode.

I agree. Other than the sport option, the Sig price should give you everything listed in the top post. Not that I think it will... I just think it should.

 

[stopcrazypp]

Haters are gonna hate. If Tesla prevented the Model S from being too high priced, the haters would just find something else. They'll only stop when Tesla is a large successful business and electric cars are wide spread, at which point they'll say they liked Tesla all along.

This is my impression too. These people don't like Tesla no matter what they do. I hardly think their opinion matters that much since they obviously aren't customers or investors. There might be some backlash on the loans like with Fisker, but that tends to die down very quickly (at this point I think everyone forgot about that already).

Tesla needs to make money on the Model S if they ever hope to even approach making a $30k car in the near future and also to pay back the government loan. That's more important at this point. I don't think the price range ($57k to ~$100k) is too outrageous; I'm sure there's plenty of luxury cars that you can option up to that level (esp. if Sport models are included, like the M or AMG lines for BMW and Mercedes).

 

[Lloyd]

Not only that, but I have no illusions that the sig edition will have EVERY single option. I expect to have to fork out more for the sport version, and aero wheels (if I wanted them). I think the sig editions will be nicely packaged, but I fully expect there to be things you can add on.

As for pricing, there are Audis you can buy sub-50k and option up to close to 100k (same with BMW I believe, and I KNOW with Porsche).

2011 Porsche 911 Pricing
Submodel MSRP Internet Price
2011 911 Carrera S RWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $90,500 !
2011 911 Carrera GTS RWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $103,100
2011 911 Carrera 4S AWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $107,800
2011 911 Turbo S AWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $172,100 !
2011 911 Turbo S AWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $160,700
2011 911 Targa 4S AWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $104,800
2011 911 Turbo AWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $135,500 Get
2011 911 Carrera RWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $88,800
2011 911 GT3 RWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $115,700
2011 911 Carrera 4 AWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $84,100
2011 911 Carrera RWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $77,800
2011 911 Targa 4 AWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $92,100
2011 911 Carrera 4 AWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $95,100 3
2011 911 Carrera GTS RWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $112,900
2011 911 Carrera 4S AWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $96,800
2011 911 Carrera S RWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $101,500
2011 911 Turbo AWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $146,800


Read more: 2011 Porsche 911 Prices | New ‘11 Porsche 911 Price List & MSRP at Automobile Magazine

 

[Larry Chanin]

What's the cheapest Model S Signature possible? It seems the sunroof is optional (according to Design Studio), so I'd expect the jump seats to be optional. I could imagine the Sport package being required, although that be controversial. I think the upgraded interior and sound system will be standard on the Sigs. That still puts the Sig to be starting at $88K.

I put down a Sig reservation on Tesla promise that a Sig would be "Full loaded for around 80k".

"Around $80k" post-rebate is around $90k pre-rebate.

Hi,

Perhaps this should be the subject of a separate poll, but I'm curious are most Signature revervations holders under the impression that the basic Signature model would go for around $90k before the tax rebate, sales tax and destination charges?

Thanks.

Larry

 

[Mycroft]

Porsche Panamera 4-Dr Hatchback 0-60 6secs $75,000 - $110,000
Porsche Panamera 4S 4-Dr Hatchback 0-60 4.8secs $95,000 - $130,000

Larry, I think most people were thumbnailing around $80k after rebate. I like using pre-rebate numbers because that's what I would have to write the check for when I buy the car.

 

[AnOutsider]

2011 Porsche 911 Pricing
Submodel MSRP Internet Price
2011 911 Carrera S RWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $90,500 !
2011 911 Carrera GTS RWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $103,100
2011 911 Carrera 4S AWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $107,800
2011 911 Turbo S AWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $172,100 !
2011 911 Turbo S AWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $160,700
2011 911 Targa 4S AWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $104,800
2011 911 Turbo AWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $135,500 Get
2011 911 Carrera RWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $88,800
2011 911 GT3 RWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $115,700
2011 911 Carrera 4 AWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $84,100
2011 911 Carrera RWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $77,800
2011 911 Targa 4 AWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $92,100
2011 911 Carrera 4 AWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $95,100 3
2011 911 Carrera GTS RWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $112,900
2011 911 Carrera 4S AWD 2-Dr Coupe H6 $96,800
2011 911 Carrera S RWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $101,500
2011 911 Turbo AWD 2-Dr Convertible H6 $146,800


Read more: 2011 Porsche 911 Prices | New ‘11 Porsche 911 Price List & MSRP at Automobile Magazine

To go more with what I was thinking:

I just stopped building at that point. Bottom line, there's a sub 50k car that I took to over 100k

 

[strider]

I'm thinking ~$90k pre-rebate but I'm expecting that to be "loaded" - including premium paint, the pano roof, 21" wheels, rear jump seats, etc. The only option I expect on a Sig is the Sport option. That I would expect to be an up-charge.

 

[Trnsl8r]

Larry, I think most people were thumbnailing around $80k after rebate. I like using pre-rebate numbers because that's what I would have to write the check for when I buy the car.

You don't think Tesla would have it as a service to offer the rebate at time of purchase and handle that bit for the customer? Unless there's some legal stickly reason for why they can't do that, I think it would make a lot of sense for them to do that, especially since they always advertise the post-rebate price...