http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...cious-twitter-bet-fix-south-australias-power/
Pretty ballsy and funny tweets,
Pretty ballsy and funny tweets,
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He proposes a 100kwh battery pack installed in 100 days or it's free.
Apparently the Gigafactory is ramping up fast.
I'm not sure this is a "fair deal" for solar producers who are providing electricity at peak times when the spot market is up to 14 dollars KWh and they only get 5 cents KWh which the utility then sells at peak prices for 20 to 30 cents KWh.Australia implemented what I think will be the fair long term solution.
Residential customers buy retail electricity, and sell with a 2/3 discount. They have to over produce by nearly a factor of 3 to end up with a zero electricity bill (depending on how much they consume right when they produce).
If it were a 1/3 discount evolving to a 2/3 discount after 10 years, I would call that 100% fair.
But initially, electricity sold by one consumer is usually consumed by his neighbour, avoiding substations, big transformers and other resources.
The fact that even with such "bad for consumer" deals, solar has been adopted quite that fast, it seems it wasn't so unfair.
Solar panels are ridiculously cheap already.
What's unfair is that Australian grid operators aren't using that extra revenue and installing a bunch of Powerpacks at every substation in Australia.
This pricing also creates huge incentives for end users to own Powerwalls, which is great for Tesla either way. Sell batteries to consumers or to grid operators.
Elon shouldn't had to make any offers. Neither the government should have to be stepping in. Grid operators should have been purchasing GWhs worth of PowerPack 2.0 months ago.
Perhaps grid operators want solar to fail even with the huge incentive of this discount.
The interesting problem would be if everybody tried to put enough solar panels to produce 3x what they consume... With enough batteries, the Australian grid might not need an coal / gas generation at all, and would have to throw a lot of electricity overboard still.
(getting out in front of Elon on corporate details is not a good move, to paraphrase a previous communications executive).We don't have 300MWh sitting there ready to go but I'll make sure there are
He said the cost for large installations had come down to $US400-600 per kilowatt hour of capacity depending on the configuration, or about $US50 million ($A65 million) per 100MWh, with reductions for large scale installations.
The Powerwall 2 units - $10,000 installed in Australia - could be stacked for larger households or businesses, up to 9 in each stack, carrying about a 126KWh of capacity. Eight stacks would pack a MWh. They will be ready for delivery in Australia next month.
He said (getting out in front of Elon on corporate details is not a good move, to paraphrase a previous communications executive).
Context for the parenthetical: details about current gigafactory output details, not the offer.Elon sent Lyndon to Australia.
That is what got the conversation going.
That was the basis of Mike Cannon-Brookes tweeting @ Musk if the offer was genuine.
Context for the parenthetical: details about current gigafactory output details, not the offer.
The deal is fair buddy. You're ignoring the facts when they're inconvenient to your side.I'm not sure this is a "fair deal" for solar producers who are providing electricity at peak times when the spot market is up to 14 dollars KWh and they only get 5 cents KWh which the utility then sells at peak prices for 20 to 30 cents KWh.
Presumably, a Tesla Powerpack could buy cheap power overnight and sell it for much more.
Electric companies don't understand solar. They don't want to understand solar. It doesn't fit into their antiquated business plans. They wish it would go away. They want to kill it by paying people a pittance for their power but clearly it is not going to go away.
If they were smart, they would invest in smart meters and power management tools and pay solar producers appropriately and manage their grid properly... but they aren't smart.
Thanks for warning me... I won't try to discuss this with you.The deal is fair buddy. You're ignoring the facts when they're inconvenient to your side.
I had this argument on clean technica about 2 years ago and got banned for arguing serious about that. The clean reality bubble people wouldn't take it.
I would love to debate it if you can accept the fact that grid operators aren't charities. Don't get me wrong, they're in deep trouble in the long run, but they're still an entity that exists to make profits. They don't exist to be nice to you.Thanks for warning me... I won't try to discuss this with you.
14 dollars KWh
Electric companies don't understand solar. They don't want to understand solar. It doesn't fit into their antiquated business plans. They wish it would go away. They want to kill it by paying people a pittance for their power but clearly it is not going to go away.
If they were smart, they would invest in smart meters and power management tools and pay solar producers appropriately and manage their grid properly... but they aren't smart.
4xResidential customers buy retail electricity, and sell with a 2/3 discount. They have to over produce by nearly a factor of 3 to end up with a zero electricity bill (depending on how much they consume right when they produce).
That is an awful deal for the residential home PV owner, and Tesla will eat the utilities alive with home battery storage if they do not wake up.