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If you can't modify it, you don't really own it.
Interestingly enough, and to the surprise of many on here I'm sure, Tesla is not a government organization, so they don't make laws.
How about if there were things you could do (not everything) that aren't safety related to the OS unless you had a certification from the manufacturer? Would that satisfy you?
The manufacturer does not have the right to tell me what I can do with my property. They don't own it, they don't get to decide what things I can and can't do.
Anyway, this is once again too far off track. I said I wouldn't get in to this in this thread, so consider this my last post on that topic.
DiamondDave
Member
Fine but you opened the door in post #222. My point is there are other lives to consider in this scenario which is why the proposed solution makes sense. I also don't think who owns the software is a settled legal issue.
Hey Doug,
This quoted post and your comment are from months ago from a completely different thread. How did it get recreated here? Database issue?
Yeah, looks like something went haywire there. Happens once in a while.
I never said anything about Tesla being a government organization, or making laws. I was talking about the government making regulations and laws.
If you don't like regulations and laws, there's absolutely nothing from stopping you from moving to the Libertarian paradise, Somalia.
I love how if I ever try to have a discussion about this issue outside of this thread people push me back to this thread.
But, I can't have a conversation about this topic in this thread because Green1 is Canadian. What the hell do I know about Canadian law?
If Green1 was from Hong Kong we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Tesla is free to reach in and disable anything the government tells them to in HK.
But, I can't have a conversation about this topic in this thread because Green1 is Canadian. What the hell do I know about Canadian law?
If Green1 was from Hong Kong we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Tesla is free to reach in and disable anything the government tells them to in HK.
A bit side note, didn't Tesla force all communications through Tesla VPN, even on WiFi network? Does this exploit mean the malicious WiFi AP and some data injection prevent VPN from being established?
AZ Desert Driver
Rare combination
I think you can own a private airplane, but MUST have a certified mechanic make repairs and modifications. The Owner is not free to do whatever, but must follow rules and regulations to produce an airworthy plane. The blanket statement "If you can't modify it, you don't really own it." runs against [msnow] point that there are others lives to consider, and the long establish need to have certified mechanics working on certain machines.
Kalud
Active Member
All Tesla related communication are through VPN, not regular traffic (web / maps / music)
Thanks, I'll check with a browser tomorrow myself. I remember I found U.S. based IP address in the browser even connected to Japanese network but maybe I'm wrong.
CuriousG
Active Member
So I partially guessed right based on this article Tesla Responds to Chinese Hack With a Major Security Upgrade
So it would require the user to know the Tesla Guest password which isn't a big secret and they would have to manually connect once. I thought the demonstration was on a brand new Tesla so it would have been staged since it would seem more likely the person never connected to Tesla Guest.
skrenes
Member
I'm glad you haven't let people dissuade you from posting information on here. Although I'm not sure I will hack into my car, I do find it fascinating to read about. If it hasn't been done already, I wonder if it would be helpful to have a Tesla wiki? In any case, have you reached the level of sophistication to be able to change the image of your car (e.g. put custom rims on your car)? Does your image show red callipers by the way? Have you upgrade to firmware 8? Are you planning to? Sorry for all the questions.
I do not have root access, only internal network access. That gives the ability to set various variables, but not everything. Changing the images on the screens hasn't been a priority for me though it might be possible at this level.
I have reasonably reliable information that 8.0 would block setting variables without either full root, or diagnostic port access, neither of which I have yet. So 8.0 isn't going to happen yet. (Not that Tesla has offered, so far all they're showing me is the last 7.1)
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