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At what point does paying close attention to make sure the a/p is driving safely more effort than simply driving the damned thing yourself?
Robin
Robin
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Speed limit is only the maximum speed allowed - it's driver's responsibility to adjust speed according to conditions and driver's abilities. If AP is driving too fast you are supposed to take over -no ifs about it.
(also lets keep in mind that in this crash Tesla has not even confirmed if AP was even on).
The trouble with trying to make things foolproof is that there are a lot of very ingenious fools.
Answer - Before you turn it on. Until - You turn it off.At what point does paying close attention to make sure the a/p is driving safely more effort than simply driving the damned thing yourself?
Robin
Why do I keep coming back to these threads? It just gets more nonsensical by the day.
Perfect Example: Stoneymonster doesn't even know why he is here. Try to program that into Artificial Intelligence.
I've never seen a well-marked rural road around here. They're all poorly marked. And much worse in the winter! You are lucky to have *any* well-marked rural roads.Actually it works bluddy well on well marked two lane rural roads
Those are every 500 feet or so, right? Driveways everywhere? So basically you have to take control whenever you see anyone in a driveway or cross street. OK.with traffic. You must pay attention to intersections
I guess I can see how lane-keeping could work on roads with very good lane striping. And it would free you to pay more attention to all the cross streets and driveways and deer and chickens and children wandering near the roadside, so that you could more readily hit the brakes.and take over as needed, and it's speed limited, but it does very well indeed.
I completely disagree with your points. Fully autonomous Level 4 driving vehicles already exist, built by Google, and they are proven to be significantly safer than cars driven by humans full of human emotions. In just a few years first Tesla, and then other manufacturers, will have fully autonomous vehicles as well. They will be available for sale. They will be legal.Full Automation will never come to fruition because the Human brain can't be adequately replicated except through procreation. There are many who may disagree with what I'm about to say....however its an inescapable reality. Emptions are needed when driving in certain situations:
1. Feelings are needed when driving
2. Fear is needed when driving
3. Changes in heart rate are needed when driving.
4. In some cases....music is needed
5. You get my point.
Or automatically turn off Autopilot in cases where it's known to perform worse than a human driver?
Tesla is very slow to confirm bad press and very quick to announce good press. If we don't hear anything soon, I'm going to assume Autopilot was on.
Here's google maps view of the "Winding Road" sign with recommended speed of 45 MPH right where wood post "guard-rail" starts (OP says that Tesla was going 60PMH):
Google Maps
You don't need a Ph.D to understand that you're ultimately responsible for driving the car. I've honestly reduced the amount I use AP because of the truck lust. I did that knowing that it was MY responsibility to drive my car in a safe manner. That if I crashed due to truck lust that it was going to be my fault. I felt like the infrequency of it happening combined with the sinusoidal correction (when I took control) meant that it exceeded what I felt safe with..
At what point does paying close attention to make sure the a/p is driving safely more effort than simply driving the damned thing yourself?
Robin
At what point does paying close attention to make sure the a/p is driving safely more effort than simply driving the damned thing yourself?
Robin
I agree with you to a point.I completely disagree with your points. Fully autonomous Level 4 driving vehicles already exist, built by Google, and they are proven to be significantly safer than cars driven by humans full of human emotions. In just a few years first Tesla, and then other manufacturers, will have fully autonomous vehicles as well. They will be available for sale. They will be legal.
You are welcome to ignore what Google has already accomplished. The driving revolution is proceeding without you.
Agree 100% that the person and computer need to work together, which is why I think it's odd that the computer, aka AutoPilot, should be turned off on anything but divided highways.
A safety assist system should always be available no matter what kind of road you are on.
Am I looking at this wrong? Why wouldn't lane keeping always be available to potentially save the day if the driver screws up?