Nav/Map update EU-2023.20-14615

[Roy B]

@greentheonly reporting that a new nav/map data update for Europe is rolling out

https://twitter.com/x/status/1674573915622981635

Also TeslaFi.com Firmware Tracker reporting quite a few cars getting the update.

 

[MrBadger]

A bit OT but I can’t now seem to see that (any?) tweet without first logging in.

Anyone else now having to log into twitter to see tweets?

 

[Matt Porter]

A bit OT but I can’t now seem to see that (any?) tweet without first logging in.

Anyone else now having to log into twitter to see tweets?

Not personally, but yeah I've seen people reporting this elsewhere:

 

[Pink Duck]

It would be good if these updates brought auto-lane change on UK dual carriageways where it has been missing for years. Just never seems to happen though, probably some ancient EU database of major highway network being relied upon instead.

 

[JIBYC]

It would be good if these updates brought auto-lane change on UK dual carriageways where it has been missing for years. Just never seems to happen though, probably some ancient EU database of major highway network being relied upon instead.

I think it's down to whether it's a restricted access road with slips.

If it has T junctions on it NoA won't work.

 

[Dilly]

A bit OT but I can’t now seem to see that (any?) tweet without first logging in.

Anyone else now having to log into twitter to see tweets?

Yes, I had to too.

 

[Pink Duck]

I think it's down to whether it's a restricted access road with slips.

If it has T junctions on it NoA won't work.

Eventual dualling of A11 carriageway to bypass Elveden for example, one continuous free-flowing route (aside from roundabouts near Thetford). Other regional urban dual carriageways too. Will find out shortly whether anything has changed, but doubt it.

 

[JIBYC]

Eventual dualling of A11 carriageway to bypass Elveden for example, one continuous free-flowing route (aside from roundabouts near Thetford). Other regional urban dual carriageways too. Will find out shortly whether anything has changed, but doubt it.

I had in mind that it shuts off NoA just as you approach some T junctions as you travel north off the M11. It's usually a case of looking up the road type on OpenStreetMap.

 

[Tony Hoyle]

Lots of roads major A roads are pretty similar to motorways with a central reservation and no pedestrian access, and multi lane, but the Tesla can't lane change on them for.. reasons.. It's not really about NoA.

 

[Dilly]

I notice that the new map is on mine. Presume it downloaded around the same time as the last S/W update.

 

[Andywil]

I notice that the new map is on mine. Presume it downloaded around the same time as the last S/W update.

Maps download in the background without any notification and often not connected to a software update.

 

[Pink Duck]

It’s not just that Tesla auto-lane change doesn’t work on A-roads like motorways, it’s that it does for large parts of those, but not all, and often the sections that were dualled/upgraded later aren't supported. Which feels like mapping, but not OpenStreetMap (since I edit that myself), but the cheapest UK mapping provider… TomTom.

 

[MrBadger]

It’s not just that Tesla auto-lane change doesn’t work on A-roads like motorways, it’s that it does for large parts of those, but not all, and often the sections that were dualled/upgraded later aren't supported. Which feels like mapping, but not OpenStreetMap (since I edit that myself), but the cheapest UK mapping provider… TomTom.

I wish it was visible what parts auto lane change was available at, in similar way that it is obvious when NoA is available. I've given up with auto lane change unless its obviously available, eg during NoA sections.

But it is important to remember that that are several dual carriage way types, some of which may look similar, but potentially have different restrictions that Tesla may use to control what features are available, ie NoA or auto lane change. I suspect the biggest restriction will be whether the section of road is grade separated, ie whether there is any potential uncontrolled access to it, even if via a parking bay or even access from a farm etc, the latter not being obvious.

For those that know, A31, Hoggs back headng west just prior to a couple of junctions for Tongham and 331, there is a 'rogue' NoA section that briefly appears, before NoA sticks for the above two mentioned junctions. My suspicion is that majority of hogs back is deemed unsuitable due to parking laybys, house driveways or gaps in central reservation, but this 'rogue' section does not have these restrictions hence NoA is briefly enabled.

But of course, the underlying data might be wrong.

 

[qwickshot]

There is a big difference in standards between an A road and a motorway.

Even the biggest and busiest A roads which are fully dual carriageways have random T junctions, side roads and peoples driveways on them. A1, A14, A12, A11 all have issues at various places.

Some of the slip roads are also horrendous, even relatively new ones like the A11 example above. The slips for the Elvedon/centre parks junction are really very short. You’d struggle to get most ICE cars up to 60mph on the north bound entry slip without literally ragging the engine to its limits.

I hope they have fixed some of the dodgy speed data which impacts autopilot, I’m not exactly counting on it though.

 

[JIBYC]

The slips for the Elvedon/centre parks junction are really very short. You’d struggle to get most ICE cars up to 60mph on the north bound entry slip without literally ragging the engine to its limits.

It's almost designed as a sales pitch for Tesla!

 

[Reyswan]

Installed just now. Anybody know how do you track changes?

 

[WannabeOwner]

Anybody know how do you track changes?

Between OTA updates? If so then this maybe:

Latest Tesla Software Updates and Release Notes

Latest Tesla software updates and release notes

tesla-info.com

 

[Lee Davis]

Installed just now. Anybody know how do you track changes?

You can't. Maps do not have release notes.

 

[Reyswan]

Between OTA updates? If so then this maybe:

Latest Tesla Software Updates and Release Notes

Latest Tesla software updates and release notes

tesla-info.com

I meant for maps, like do we know what what updated or what database feeds into it?

 

[yessuz]

what really bugs me is that sometimes car thinks that instead of motorway you end up on the some minor road nearby and drops the speed from 70 to 60 or even less.

and when tesla will realise that the slip roads, splits and mergers of motorways can still be 70 MPH?!

everytime I drive from M1 onto M42 (A42) or vice versa - it drops the speed limit from 70 to 60 for no reason