New headlights retrofit

[Mrbrock]

I am so tired of these tesla wanna-b spokes person.

All manufacturers have revised oem part, hence the same part number with A, B, C etc

We are asking tesla to help/allow an oem,oem,oem part, did I say oem enough? Which we know there's a documented process to install. there's nothing complicating about this, period.

First, they are not the same part number, not even close. The matrix lights are not a revision of the original, they are completely different. That is why they require reprogramming of the computer to enable them to work properly.

What you want to do is akin to someone buying the base version of car and wanting to install headlights that are part of a $10k option package without paying for that option package. It doesn't happen with legacy auto manufacturers and it isn't happening with Tesla.

 

[goRt]

First, they are not the same part number, not even close. The matrix lights are not a revision of the original, they are completely different. That is why they require reprogramming of the computer to enable them to work properly.

What you want to do is akin to someone buying the base version of car and wanting to install headlights that are part of a $10k option package without paying for that option package. It doesn't happen with legacy auto manufacturers and it isn't happening with Tesla.

Again, it's not "reprogramming", it's a configuration change.
These 2nd hand headlight units only exist because they come from a car that's already paid for the function - if you want to take your logic down that route

 

[Rknapp]

First, they are not the same part number, not even close. The matrix lights are not a revision of the original, they are completely different. That is why they require reprogramming of the computer to enable them to work properly.

What you want to do is akin to someone buying the base version of car and wanting to install headlights that are part of a $10k option package without paying for that option package. It doesn't happen with legacy auto manufacturers and it isn't happening with Tesla.

You can buy a “performance” spoiler right on their site and have them install it on your non-performance car.

 

[akballow]

First, they are not the same part number, not even close. The matrix lights are not a revision of the original, they are completely different. That is why they require reprogramming of the computer to enable them to work properly.

What you want to do is akin to someone buying the base version of car and wanting to install headlights that are part of a $10k option package without paying for that option package. It doesn't happen with legacy auto manufacturers and it isn't happening with Tesla.

Actually they do. You get all the items in the package for a better price. Ie 10k for everything where the red brakes, pedals, spoiler, springs, etc and installation are included. You can pay more to have them installed. SW is just a tricky part .

 

[terranx]

What you want to do is akin to someone buying the base version of car and wanting to install headlights that are part of a $10k option package without paying for that option package. It doesn't happen with legacy auto manufacturers and it isn't happening with Tesla.

Happens all the time. The only times such retrofits aren't officially supported is if they require extensive harness modification. Even then, someone who really wants them usually can add all the wiring and make the retrofit work using OEM software to reconfigure the necessary bits.

 

[WhiteM3P-]

First, they are not the same part number, not even close. The matrix lights are not a revision of the original, they are completely different. That is why they require reprogramming of the computer to enable them to work properly.

What you want to do is akin to someone buying the base version of car and wanting to install headlights that are part of a $10k option package without paying for that option package. It doesn't happen with legacy auto manufacturers and it isn't happening with Tesla.

Happens all the time. The only times such retrofits aren't officially supported is if they require extensive harness modification. Even then, someone who really wants them usually can add all the wiring and make the retrofit work using OEM software to reconfigure the necessary bits.

My M3P is my only car without matrix lights... my SR+ and MYP has em.. just saying haha. We know it's definitely doable.

A base model (SR+) got em...

 

[ph0ton]

Do you think the way a 120V LED bulb gets from 120V to 4V is via a resistor?

You'd think that after seeing the chinesium bulbs I've used.

 

[gearchruncher]

You'd think that after seeing the chinesium bulbs I've used.

In a way that would be hilarious. To get 10W of LED light, you'd need to dissipate 290W of heat, but without creating light, making it about 1/3 as efficient as an incandescent bulb.

 

[carbonzhp]

Considering trying a used set as well for the retrofit. 2019 3 RWD. Id like to know at least if the connectors are the same.

 

[carbonzhp]

Looks like Ill be finding out. Impulse bought a set of Matrix lights on ebay for less than $400. We'll see.

 

[goRt]

Considering trying a used set as well for the retrofit. 2019 3 RWD. Id like to know at least if the connectors are the same.

The connectors are the same, the magic is done in the signalling from the gateway

 

[Durzel]

Are the connectors the same across all model/years? I swore I saw someone mention 3 or 4 wires, but I might be imagining things.

 

[WhiteM3P-]

Are the connectors the same across all model/years? I swore I saw someone mention 3 or 4 wires, but I might be imagining things.

They are the same.

 

[Mrbrock]

Wish in one hand, you know what in the other, see which one gets filled first.

You can call it reprogramming or configuration change or whatever you want, Tesla does not want nor are they required to allow you access to this. Allowing access for lights is just opening a door for unsavory people to exploit other areas of the car's programming. You have to look at everything that could potentially happen when opening up part of the software and not just the part that gets you marginally better headlights. You can keep beating a dead horse about this but it is not happening.

 

[gearchruncher]

You can call it reprogramming or configuration change or whatever you want, Tesla does not want nor are they required to allow you access to this.

You still haven't answered the question about what "tuner cars" people are supposed to buy to do this and are supported by the OEMs.

Allowing access for lights is just opening a door for unsavory people to exploit other areas of the car's programming. You have to look at everything that could potentially happen when opening up part of the software and not just the part that gets you marginally better headlights.

Ahh, yes, security through obscurity.
"Unsavory" people can already do this. Plenty of hackers have access to the gateway, and a lot more.
However, Tesla's own internal tool allows access to the gateway config already. It's just the public version of the exact same program that has it turned off. This is not a security hole. The gateway CONFIG is supposed to be editable. If doing this opens up other holes, then Tesla has a huge security problem.

But don't say never- Tesla already has a way to edit the gateway for a specific configuration- Homelink. It's right in the service menu that is available to owners.

None of this is to push back on the fact that you are correct that Tesla doesn't want this RIGHT NOW. But your rationale is just made up security BS from someone that has no idea what editing the gateway config means and how/what Tesla already supports stuff. It's purely a business decision by Tesla to prevent owners from doing a complete set of repairs on the car by limiting the functionality of the tool they sell owners vs what they use inside (although they are getting better).

 

[Mrbrock]

Yes, service mode that Tesla encourages everyone to use...Not. Just because the internet says you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

And thank you for actually responding along with a disagree. Too many people just disagree and don't explain why.

 

[gearchruncher]

Yes, service mode that Tesla encourages everyone to use...

Nice image of a specific sub-screen in service, not all of service mode.
You must be really, really mad Tesla released their service instructions for the car. I mean, nobody should use those right?
And super weird that Tesla made their service mode accessable recently with a simple "service" password instead of the old process that required a Tesla tool. But Tesla didn't mean for owners to access it, right? Just a bunch of idiots on the internet?

You should actually read the disclaimer for autopilot and FSD... Tesla tells you not to use that either

Why are you so against people working on their own cars? Do you think a Tesla is that different than the "tuner" cars you think exist?

 

[terranx]

Nice image of a specific sub-screen in service, not all of service mode.
You must be really, really mad Tesla released their service instructions for the car. I mean, nobody should use those right?
And super weird that Tesla made their service mode accessable recently with a simple "service" password instead of the old process that required a Tesla tool. But Tesla didn't mean for owners to access it, right? Just a bunch of idiots on the internet?

You should actually read the disclaimer for autopilot and FSD... Tesla tells you not to use that either

Why are you so against people working on their own cars? Do you think a Tesla is that different than the "tuner" cars you think exist?

Not to mention the deliberately eliminated the geofence

They're very very slowly going in the right direction on this. Perhaps someday enduser gateway configuration edits will be possible without root or other hacks. Too bad I might not own my car by then.

 

[stopcrazypp]

Nice image of a specific sub-screen in service, not all of service mode.
You must be really, really mad Tesla released their service instructions for the car. I mean, nobody should use those right?
And super weird that Tesla made their service mode accessable recently with a simple "service" password instead of the old process that required a Tesla tool. But Tesla didn't mean for owners to access it, right? Just a bunch of idiots on the internet?

This isn't true AFAIK. The service password had always been "service". The only thing they removed recently is the geofence, and the reason could easily also be for the convenience of their service personnel (especially for mobile service) and not necessarily because they want customers accessing it.

I did a quick search and found a reference from 2020, so it's at least that old.
2019/20 Orders and Deliveries [closed]

You should actually read the disclaimer for autopilot and FSD... Tesla tells you not to use that either

Why are you so against people working on their own cars? Do you think a Tesla is that different than the "tuner" cars you think exist?

 

[goRt]

Wish in one hand, you know what in the other, see which one gets filled first.

You can call it reprogramming or configuration change or whatever you want, Tesla does not want nor are they required to allow you access to this. Allowing access for lights is just opening a door for unsavory people to exploit other areas of the car's programming. You have to look at everything that could potentially happen when opening up part of the software and not just the part that gets you marginally better headlights. You can keep beating a dead horse about this but it is not happening.

Again I'm required to remind you of the European right to repair legislation