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Good points. About the supply/demand, that's why I said "One way I think about IV..." I realize it isn't true supply and demand but for someone just learning options it is a good way to visualize how and why option premiums can go up and down in value (sometimes rapidly) with stock price and time to expiration held constant. Basically, as there is more demand (usually due to an upcoming event), volatility goes up and the price of the option goes up.
 
Good points. About the supply/demand, that's why I said "One way I think about IV..." I realize it isn't true supply and demand but for someone just learning options it is a good way to visualize how and why option premiums can go up and down in value (sometimes rapidly) with stock price and time to expiration held constant.

I have to disagree that it's a good way to understand why premiums go up and down. It is misleading to throw demand into it, because it leads not to understanding, but to the illusion of understanding.

Basically, as there is more demand (usually due to an upcoming event), volatility goes up and the price of the option goes up.

This doesn't follow.
 
Well, that was kind of interesting.... 1.3% move in the stock worked a 6.3% increase in the Jan 250 call.
Yes, indeed; that's very typical. That's why people use options: if you are highly confident that the price will move up (or down), you can leverage your capital substantially by buying calls (or puts). If the underlying stock prices rises by $1, the call's value increases by less than a dollar, but it will increase by a greater percentage than the stock. The further out-of-the-money (OTM) the call is, the higher this leverage will be. That leverage comes with greater risk, however.
 
OK... So when the stock went up it closed relatively quickly toward the breakeven of 264....approx 9% of the distance... Which rewarded the option with a 6% rise.

Yes. If we continue up towards the strike price you'll notice the relative change will vary. The delta changes as you get closer to the strike price. Here a graphical representation of this (from Wikipedia article on Greeks):
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But remember that you also must factor in loss of time value as time goes by (time decay) and underlying volatility (I like to think of this a "desireability" or "hopefullness") with regards to the option.
 
I have to disagree that it's a good way to understand why premiums go up and down. It is misleading to throw demand into it, because it leads not to understanding, but to the illusion of understanding.



This doesn't follow.

Both are true. I feel like this need to be clarified. Since I saw something similar in the advance thread.

First, I'll define vega: Volatility.

Understanding the Black Scholes formula will shed some light since both theta and vega are part of the formula. Vega, if I derived it correctly, is a function of the gyration of the past trading days multiplied by e^x. (Please someone with a math major verify this. I did it a long time ago) With the trading days defined as the window of time used for calculation.

Second, bid ask spread

Basically, most option's bid ask don't stray too far from the theoretical formula. Otherwise it'll just get exercised or called. What we often see during high volatility is the widening of the bid ask spread. Since this is operated by human (or algo written by human) this contributed to errors of judgement. Nitice that the bid ask spread is centered around a theoretical value that was calculated with vega included.

Third, Options skew

Because bid ask is still somewhat human/emotion related, we sometimes see an options skew. Not often, but it happns. This is what luvb2b and a bunch of others observed before the epic april event. Some took advantage of it. You might just disregard it as emotion, but if you traced deep enough, you will find that the skew was caused by the cost of borrowing TSLA shares.

Conclusion: Option pricing can be due to anything. Bond, interest rate or your mother.
 
Both are true. I feel like this need to be clarified. Since I saw something similar in the advance thread.

First, I'll define vega: Volatility.

Understanding the Black Scholes formula will shed some light since both theta and vega are part of the formula. Vega, if I derived it correctly, is a function of the gyration of the past trading days multiplied by e^x. (Please someone with a math major verify this. I did it a long time ago) With the trading days defined as the window of time used for calculation.

Second, bid ask spread

Basically, most option's bid ask don't stray too far from the theoretical formula. Otherwise it'll just get exercised or called. What we often see during high volatility is the widening of the bid ask spread. Since this is operated by human (or algo written by human) this contributed to errors of judgement. Nitice that the bid ask spread is centered around a theoretical value that was calculated with vega included.

Third, Options skew

Because bid ask is still somewhat human/emotion related, we sometimes see an options skew. Not often, but it happns. This is what luvb2b and a bunch of others observed before the epic april event. Some took advantage of it. You might just disregard it as emotion, but if you traced deep enough, you will find that the skew was caused by the cost of borrowing TSLA shares.

Conclusion: Option pricing can be due to anything. Bond, interest rate or your mother.
My point is that saying that the typical pre-ER volatility increase reflects or is caused by the increased demand for option contracts is incorrect. It's like saying that having more drivers on the road will drive up the price of car insurance. It doesn't make sense.

When people say "because supply/demand", they have in mind the way prices shoot up when the supply cannot/does not grow as fast as the demand. That supply/demand mechanism, which is caused by scarcity (either inherent or artificially created), does not apply to option pricing. Scarcity is the key element here (of the kind that allows some enterprising Chinese business to buy Tesla Model S in bulk and lease them for +15k premiums.)

The best way to see that is to compare the volatility of options for very heavily traded strikes and those more rarely traded. You'll see that the volatility follows a pattern determined almost exclusively by the difference between strikes and not by any difference in "demand". (It's not really demand, just activity.)

Increased activity can have an effect on spreads, but this is not what we're talking about here.

I read luvb2b's detective work, and I found that thread fascinating, but it is not related to the above point.
 
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Care and Feeding of a Call?

As I have mentioned, I bought one Jan 15 250 Call last week as a learning exercise.

Aside from sitting around wishing I had bought 20 contracts, how should I be thinking about this option?

If the stock continues to rise will the option keep up at this rate of growth, or will it flatten out at some point?
 
Care and Feeding of a Call?

As I have mentioned, I bought one Jan 15 250 Call last week as a learning exercise.

Aside from sitting around wishing I had bought 20 contracts, how should I be thinking about this option?

If the stock continues to rise will the option keep up at this rate of growth, or will it flatten out at some point?

It will eventually flatten to the point where 1$ change in stock price ~= 1$ change in option premium. Basically if it goes deep enough in the money your risk profile falls through the floor of it not being ITM at execution and the volatility drops off. This threshold changes depending on how much time is left to expiration. For example a call with an expiration of this Friday @ 200$ strike has much lower risk of happening, than say a January call @ 200 strike.

This is where having different exit strategies come into play because you want to consider how much of a return you expect to get out of this given different timeframes and thresholds. You would also apply the inverse of that for max potential loss (even if that threshold is 100% loss, that is still a threshold).

Normally when I shop for options, I am formulating a thesis behind why I expect the stock to go to certain price targets within a given timeframe. And you find yourself making lists of potential positive catalysts and negative catalysts that would move the stock up or down toward those targets. Once you meet that threshold that you set you should be looking for how you want to exit out of the position.

Now, if you were doing something as a form of "stock replacement" type strategy, it is normally hold until such time as you feel comfortable in rolling the options forward into a new position. (like converting a Jan 2015 LEAP into Jan 2017 LEAPs when they are released). But in the short to medium term (ie, not holding for 1 year or more) you are generally going to want to set up different targets for what would make you want to exit the position.

Once you exit. Don't necessarily just turn around and flip it for something else. You need to reevaluate the situation all over again to determine where you expect the stock to go given a certain timeframe and then execute on that new evaluation. At the same time while you hold a position, it isn't just blind holding based on the faith that your thesis pans out. As you get more data and the picture becomes clearer, you should be updating your thesis as it pans out. Maybe Elon had an unexpected tweet about how there was an accident at the factory. Well you weren't necessarily planning for this, so you should update your data, and adjust if you should sell, or continue to hold.

Generally though, I still find myself finding a happy multiple that I expected the stock to run up to, and once I hit that multiple I sell regardless. Because what you don't want to do is get yourself caught in the "just one more dollar" game... trying to figure out the exact top. If you are sitting on a 300% return and sell don't get upset because you *could* have had 350%. Because there is no way for you to really get the top and bottom exactly right and you shouldn't really try to.
 
Once you exit. Don't necessarily just turn around and flip it for something else. You need to reevaluate the situation all over again to determine where you expect the stock to go given a certain timeframe and then execute on that new evaluation.

Good advice. I've made this mistake and it cost me dearly.

Generally though, I still find myself finding a happy multiple that I expected the stock to run up to, and once I hit that multiple I sell regardless. Because what you don't want to do is get yourself caught in the "just one more dollar" game... trying to figure out the exact top. If you are sitting on a 300% return and sell don't get upset because you *could* have had 350%. Because there is no way for you to really get the top and bottom exactly right and you shouldn't really try to.

Again, good advice. I've yielded to the "one more 100%" thing, too, and that was also very costly. Do not hesitate, nor ever regret, taking profits.
 
Good advice. I've made this mistake and it cost me dearly.

Again, good advice. I've yielded to the "one more 100%" thing, too, and that was also very costly. Do not hesitate, nor ever regret, taking profits.

You would hardly guess I just started messing around with options like 3 months ago :D

I think some of this you almost have to figure out your own thresholds for what "feels right" because no matter how many times I heard someone suggest these things, all of that talking goes out the window when you are actively watching the stock and seeing huge numbers pop up on your screen. It is VERY easy to get sucked in and I CONSTANTLY have to pull myself out of it, and stop myself from going too far. Because the second you get absorbed like that it becomes like gambling and you will certainly lose money if you are just straight gambling.

The trick is to become the card counter at black jack who isn't getting sucked into those "free drinks" they are offering you in order to beat the house at their own game. Is card counting 100%? No, but it is high enough that you can employ a strategy and make a ton of money off of it. This is basically how I look at options, only I don't have to worry about Mick dragging me out of the casino and beating me senseless for "cheating". :D
 
You would hardly guess I just started messing around with options like 3 months ago :D

I think some of this you almost have to figure out your own thresholds for what "feels right" because no matter how many times I heard someone suggest these things, all of that talking goes out the window when you are actively watching the stock and seeing huge numbers pop up on your screen. It is VERY easy to get sucked in and I CONSTANTLY have to pull myself out of it, and stop myself from going too far. Because the second you get absorbed like that it becomes like gambling and you will certainly lose money if you are just straight gambling.

The trick is to become the card counter at black jack who isn't getting sucked into those "free drinks" they are offering you in order to beat the house at their own game. Is card counting 100%? No, but it is high enough that you can employ a strategy and make a ton of money off of it. This is basically how I look at options, only I don't have to worry about Mick dragging me out of the casino and beating me senseless for "cheating". :D

As long as we're using casino metaphors, it's worth remembering that, like in poker, you should probably fold most of the time, by which I mean not buy any options. You don't have to make a trade every day (or week, or month.) You should only make a bet if you have reason to believe you understand the data better than your opponents, and it better be a strong reason. Otherwise, time premium decay implacably works against you and in favour of the house, i.e. the market makers and option sellers.

(Using options as insurance is different, but I think most of the talk here revolves around using options for leverage.)
 
As long as we're using casino metaphors, it's worth remembering that, like in poker, you should probably fold most of the time, by which I mean not buy any options. You don't have to make a trade every day (or week, or month.) You should only make a bet if you have reason to believe you understand the data better than your opponents, and it better be a strong reason. Otherwise, time premium decay implacably works against you and in favour of the house, i.e. the market makers and option sellers.

(Using options as insurance is different, but I think most of the talk here revolves around using options for leverage.)

Also something I have had a hard time learning. I am used to being fully vested and having cash just sitting around feels weird. It is something I have had to get used to and just be comfortable with. Like right now, on my options account I am 50% cash right now, because I don't have a play (other than what is already staked) and it feels weird. But I would rather have some cash to be ready when I have a move to make than to just be throwing money away by needlessly making purchases.

So if, like me, you are very used to being 100% vested, it could take a bit to retrain your brain that sitting on cash isn't a bad thing.
 
Also something I have had a hard time learning. I am used to being fully vested and having cash just sitting around feels weird. It is something I have had to get used to and just be comfortable with. Like right now, on my options account I am 50% cash right now, because I don't have a play (other than what is already staked) and it feels weird. But I would rather have some cash to be ready when I have a move to make than to just be throwing money away by needlessly making purchases.

So if, like me, you are very used to being 100% vested, it could take a bit to retrain your brain that sitting on cash isn't a bad thing.

This is very good advice and I too have mostly been to early to go in with all my trading capital. Mostly though I've bought on the way down and sold on the way up, but being a bit cooler especially when it comes to buying in would have netted me more profit over the last two years.
 
Once you exit. Don't necessarily just turn around and flip it for something else.
I just wanted to reiterate this one. This, more than anything else, is how I lost about 75% of the gains from TSLA. I had a bunch of cash and felt it should be doing something, but I didn't do the research to figure out what a good entry point and timeline would be for the options I was purchasing and it all evaporated.

Now, I'm usually sitting on 25-50% of my position in cash, sometimes backing some sort of sold call/put, but otherwise awaiting good entry point. I haven't really gained much since much of what I've been in is solar, which hasn't done squat for about a year now, but I haven't lost money either chasing stock gains that never arrived.
 
I just wanted to reiterate this one. This, more than anything else, is how I lost about 75% of the gains from TSLA. I had a bunch of cash and felt it should be doing something, but I didn't do the research to figure out what a good entry point and timeline would be for the options I was purchasing and it all evaporated.

Now, I'm usually sitting on 25-50% of my position in cash, sometimes backing some sort of sold call/put, but otherwise awaiting good entry point. I haven't really gained much since much of what I've been in is solar, which hasn't done squat for about a year now, but I haven't lost money either chasing stock gains that never arrived.
Earnings day is made for you. Lots of volatility on wed before the release. Look at lat 6 earnings day trading ranges. Good luck
 
There is a lot of good options advice here the last few days.

If you are new to options I would be very cautious about learning on this ER. This is one of the toughest and the most expensive ER for options I can recall.

My play has been placing an order or two way under market value and hoping the stock gets there for my order to get placed. I bought a put this way today.

I like the idea of trying an ER play with March options since the premium is lower. I noticed last Friday that jan 15 options had a lower IV than any of the others. I didn't buy any though because I personally am worried about lack of catalyst after ER to get the stock to move before then. I'm not holding my breath for the X reveal either. I'm taking a position that we won't see it before the jan 15 options expire. (I am hoping we see it though).

The other thing I need to get better at is being happy with a 50% gain, or smaller. I almost never sell options to realize a 50% gain, I like that 100% too much. However, I think if I would be content with more of those smaller gains I would be way ahead. After all a gain is a gain. And waiting for that 100%, 200%, or 5 bagger isn't always the best play.