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Nissan is to donate 400 electric car quick chargers

Discussion in 'Europe' started by Kevin Sharpe, Nov 8, 2011.

  1. Kevin Sharpe

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    Tom Barnard, Communications director of Nissan GB tweeted today "Nissan is to donate 400 electric car quick chargers to organisations and companies across Europe. We hope to get 65+ for the UK."
     
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    Quick charge, free of charge: Nissan gives EV owners more flexibility | Pure-Driving.co.uk powered by Nissan

     
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    widodh Model S R231 EU

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    Sure, Tesla can do much better! (Right...)

    No, it's no 90kW, but I'm happy with 50kW charging. 30 min of charging still gives ~130km of range.

    It would be so silly if the Model S would not accept Chademo and could not take advantage of these 400(!) chargers.
     
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    CHAdeMO supporters doubling down.
     
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    widodh Model S R231 EU

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    Ehh? Never heard of that, what is that?
     
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    Sorry, it's an idiom I used before on this subject. I mean to say that supporters of the CHAdeMO standard are increasing their investment (upping their bets, so to speak) to insure its success over other standards. This Nissan announcement has been expected for a while.
     
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    400 seems a good number to start with... :smile:
     
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    I'm happy to report that we have formally submitted our proposals to Nissan for the 65 quick chargers to be donated to a community owned entity that will ensure EV drivers are central to the UK's national charging network.

    If you think community ownership is worthwhile then you might like to tell Nissan :smile:

    I'd like to thank David Peilow for his excellent work in creating this proposal on behalf of ZCW.
     
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    #9 jcstp, Nov 25, 2011
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    really hope you will have succes!!!!!!
     
  10. Kevin Sharpe

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    I've been 'radio silent' following our meeting because I had hoped that some of the topics we discussed 'off the record' would have been public knowledge by now…. anyway, while we wait, we do have some good news that we can share following our Meeting with Nissan...

    As your probably aware, in the first quarter of next year ~65 Nissan DC Chargers will be donated to key locations around the UK. The locations chosen are designed to allow Leaf drivers to easily travel along major routes with 24/7 access, no cost for 12 months, and with an installed life of 5+ years.

    Nissan have produced a UK map of target locations that is very similar to that published by David Peilow and used in the ZCW proposals for a national fast charge network;

    http://www.leaftalk.co.uk/showthread.php/4838-Nissan-is-to-donate-400-electric-car-quick-chargers?p=11848&viewfull=1#post11848

    While I can't share details of the sites chosen by Nissan at this time I have no doubt that you will be pleased with many that have been selected.

    The deployment of ~65 chargers will be followed by an aggressive push to sell 4-5,000 per year using the low cost hardware announced by Nissan on 30th November. In Europe Nissan expect this charger to retail "well below" €10,000 for the outdoor version.

    Interestingly, the low cost charger has no 'back office' capability and it's clear from our discussions that Nissan are fully aware of UK EV drivers desire to use PAYG services without subscriptions…. I can't really say much more about that now :wink:

    Lots more will emerge during the first part of next year… at this time I suggest we let Nissan run with the deployment of ~65 chargers and get ready to step in should they lose their way :smile:
     
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    Yes it was good to hear that Nissan got the message and are going all out to install these chargers in useful locations *for all EV drivers*. These will also be high power AC ready.
     
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    A side blow towards the Tesla DC charging network? Only fair.
     
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    High power AC = how many amps? 1 or 3 phase?
     
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    Actually I think that's referring more to the fact that some Nissan chargers were not open to the general public.
     
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    Thanks!

    Neat to see the electrical topologies of these big DC quick chargers. Looks like the DC output has to be electrically isolated from the mains AC supply for safety reasons (is this a CHAdeMO requirement?). So, you have to convert 3-phase 50-60Hz line AC to a high-frequency variable-voltage AC, use a transformer for electrical isolation (and fixed voltage conversion as needed), then a rectifier bridge and filtering components to generate the DC to send to the car. More complicated than most would initially assume.

    Interesting that they are changing the AC/AC conversion internals. Going to an AC/AC direct matrix frequency converter front-end, instead of a more traditional AC/DC/AC converter. Eliminates a capacitor in that intermediate DC stage (large, bulky, limited lifespan), as well as some mains input filtering (large, heavy inductors). Also looks like they consider the output DC capacitor as optional or not as important now (dotted lines in second schematic). All of which results in a charger that's about half the size of the original.
     
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    Here's one of Nissan's new style quick chargers being installed at Abingdon, near Oxford. It was spied by one of the guys on Ampera Owners Club.

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    As far as I know, this is the first of the new cheaper units to be installed in the wild (I've seen pictures of some at Nissan's UK HQ).
     
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    Given permission, I would have snagged some better shots of the internals.
     
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