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I don't think that you understand. You can't work the touchscreen with gloves on (unless they have special pads on them). Nothing to do with how cold the screen feels. Putting gloves on and off while driving and trying to use the touchscreen controls is something of a safety issue (but I did it before I got the touchscreen gloves).
I post that heated steering wheels are more important for ICE cars because their heaters are slower than EVs. ICE engines heat very slowly at idle. It's not like this a personal opinion, it's a fact. And steering heaters far pre-date EVs.
You "post" disagree to that.
Disagree has a single meaning. Opposite of agree. You're wrong. The fact is that ICE engines heat up the cabin under load far quicker than idle, and sometimes struggle to heat a cabin at idle, especially diesels which burn very little fuel at idle.
I can't put words in your mouth.
They won't fit.
Your foot is blocking them.
You posted "Heated steering wheels are most important to ICE cars" and I disagreed with that. The rest is just you talking to yourself in public.
I don't agree with your overall assessment not because of the speed of heating but because of range and the source of power for the heat.
So when you rabble on about gas/diesel and how long it takes to heat you are missing the point and somehow want to blame me for your cluelessness.
And yes the way your write what you think I think is putting words in my mouth as you are off on some tangent I'm not even writing about. So choose either:
* You are arguing with yourself about what you think I think
or
*You are putting words in my mount that you think I said
either way I didn't think it, write it, or say it, just because I put a disagree doesn't mean you know what I think is correct, it just means I disagreed with your post.
You might want to look at Mu (negative) - Wikipedia
It is used fancifully in discussions of symbolic logic, particularly Gödel's incompleteness theorems, to indicate a question whose "answer" is to
- un-ask the question,
- indicate the question is fundamentally flawed, or
- reject the premise that a dualistic answer can or will be given
and I'm saying how they operate has nothing to do with an EV.Well you can disagree with car tires being round I guess. Still makes you wrong. Your opinion on how a gasoline or diesel or electric drivetrain operates does not alter how they operate.
and I'm saying how they operate has nothing to do with an EV.
I"m not agreeing or disagreeing about anything about tires, gas engines, or diesel engines and I'm saying they don't apply to this discussion about EVs.
Who cares how much electricity the heater uses when you have 220 miles worth? Or are we pretending this discussion is only about 80 mile EVs?
Oh are we pretending this discussion is only about Norco, California? Silly me for living in another state where the supercharger infrastructure is sparse and there isn't even a reliable Chademo network.
Hm, can't see that taking a glove off at 65 mph in order to adjust the temperature is really safe.
I don't think that you understand. You can't work the touchscreen with gloves on (unless they have special pads on them). Nothing to do with how cold the screen feels. Putting gloves on and off while driving and trying to use the touchscreen controls is something of a safety issue (but I did it before I got the touchscreen gloves).
I'm not saying any such thing, I've certainly done it a lot. However removing gloves to use a touchscreen is a nuisance and a distraction. I just mentioned it above as something that prospective Model 3 owners might not have considered before they dismiss a heated steering wheel as frivolous and unnecessary, even in cold climates. You clearly disagree, but you don't have to be so obnoxious about it....You act like taking off a glove it the hardest thing to do, especially in a car that will have autopilot.
Sounds like you need a Model X so that the door will open for you when you walk up to it, thereby avoiding touching the handleMy hands would still get cold just touching the door handle to open the damn car.
Oh are we pretending this discussion is only about Norco, California? Silly me for living in another state where the supercharger infrastructure is sparse and there isn't even a reliable Chademo network.
I'm not saying any such thing, I've certainly done it a lot. However removing gloves to use a touchscreen is a nuisance and a distraction. I just mentioned it above as something that prospective Model 3 owners might not have considered before they dismiss a heated steering wheel as frivolous and unnecessary, even in cold climates. You clearly disagree, but you don't have to be so obnoxious about it.
As it happens, I don't have autopilot, it wouldn't work where I live in the mountains anyway, and autopilot likely isn't safe to use in snow when road lines are obscured.
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I think it's perfectly fair to point out that the lack of a heated steering wheel is a disappointment at this price point and expectation level. ...
I absolutely do use my phone to remotely pre-heat. I fully agree that my EV produces warmer air than my ICE vehicle almost immediately. However, it still doesn't take the chill off of the surfaces in the vehicle. Cold seats will still be cold. Cold door handles will still be cold. So, I am fully qualified to have an opinion on the steering wheel being cold based on my extensive experience with both EV and ICE vehicles in a cold environment. It will be cold.
If I wanted a Chevy POS, I'd have bought one. I don't. I know very well what's available on each and every EV offering right now (even cars that pretend to be EVs). Gas is not an option. And to preclude the next argument, if I wanted an S, I would have bought one of those. I want the Model 3. It's the right car for me.
I'm not normally one to participate in an "Internet argument" because we all know how impactful they are in the real world. However, I think that it's important that the discussion of a potential future feature be represented by as many perspectives as possible. Especially given the fact that Tesla does seem to take some interest in what goes on here. I would personally appreciate them applying some of their resources towards adding on a heated steering wheel at the point in the future allowed by their feature roadmap.
As it has been stated by others, I'm not sure I understand the need to "shout down" the desire for a feature that is found in other, comparable vehicles. If you don't want/need it, say so and get on with your life. You're not going to convince any of us it's unnecessary any more than we're going to convince you that it is.
However, as is the nature of "internet arguments" this entire post is really a waste of time.