If the author is telling the truth, Tesla definitely did a poor job of prepping him for the trip. The trip was easily doable with some simple modifications (do a range charge, plug in overnight even if it's only a 110V outlet, don't leave for your destination when you have 50% range than you need to get there). Common sense things would have made this story totally different. The Model S is so much more than a 100 mile round trip commuter car for the 85 kWh version at least.
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NYT article: Stalled on the EV Highway
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If the author is telling the truth, Tesla definitely did a poor job of prepping him for the trip. The trip was easily doable with some simple modifications (do a range charge, plug in overnight even if it's only a 110V outlet, don't leave for your destination when you have 50% range than you need to get there). Common sense things would have made this story totally different. The Model S is so much more than a 100 mile round trip commuter car for the 85 kWh version at least.
Jaff
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arondaniel
Il Sessanta Caricato
Mr. Broder, J'ACCUSE!!!
Reading his article again it all seems a bit fishy.
I'm sure it was pointed out earlier in the thread but why didn't he recharge in NYC? With 79 miles of range indicated and a destination 73 miles away, and given his statement that since Delaware "range was falling faster than miles are accumulating", you would think a recharge would be in order. Generally speaking, I don't like to coast in to town on fumes in my current car. Maybe that's just me.
But departing for a destination that is well beyond projected range.... that's just plain stupid.
Unless... did he maybe *want* to run the car past empty? Just to see what would happen? Or maybe get a nice shot of the expensive luxury car hobbled on a tow truck?
Anyway, I wrote a letter to the editor. Doubt it will be published.
In the end its not going to matter. With sufficient charging stations, running out of juice in a EV will be identically stupid to running out of gas in an ICE.
All joking aside, I think he wanted to push the envelope a little, find the weak spots in a new system. He certainly did, and in a way we should probably thank him because I-95 will probably have twice the superchargers now thanks to his little adventure. I'll never use them, but I'll be happy they're there...
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Reading his article again it all seems a bit fishy.
I'm sure it was pointed out earlier in the thread but why didn't he recharge in NYC? With 79 miles of range indicated and a destination 73 miles away, and given his statement that since Delaware "range was falling faster than miles are accumulating", you would think a recharge would be in order. Generally speaking, I don't like to coast in to town on fumes in my current car. Maybe that's just me.
But departing for a destination that is well beyond projected range.... that's just plain stupid.
Unless... did he maybe *want* to run the car past empty? Just to see what would happen? Or maybe get a nice shot of the expensive luxury car hobbled on a tow truck?
Anyway, I wrote a letter to the editor. Doubt it will be published.
In the end its not going to matter. With sufficient charging stations, running out of juice in a EV will be identically stupid to running out of gas in an ICE.
All joking aside, I think he wanted to push the envelope a little, find the weak spots in a new system. He certainly did, and in a way we should probably thank him because I-95 will probably have twice the superchargers now thanks to his little adventure. I'll never use them, but I'll be happy they're there...
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carrerascott
FUEL FTR
I wonder if this same writer would test an iPad with 20% charge left on a 5 hour flight and then complain that it didn't last the whole flight?
rolosrevenge
Dr. EVS
Well that's true of a J1772 where he spent the night as well. Not to mention it's a lot cheaper to install and operate. I think though the point a lot of us are making about Tesla and EVs is that while we'd all love to say they work perfectly for everyone, the infrastructure isn't there yet, and it will be a rough sometimes until it is. It'd be nice to see Tesla, in their official response to this article, donate a charger to the hotel where he stayed, much like Nissan did when Top Gear found a town with out a charger to strand the LEAF in. Then we all win.
JRP3
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Jefferies defends Tesla, blames operator error
StreetInsider.com - Jefferies Defends Tesla (TSLA), Boosts PT into Q4 Results; Improper Charging to Blame
StreetInsider.com - Jefferies Defends Tesla (TSLA), Boosts PT into Q4 Results; Improper Charging to Blame
Norbert
TSLA will win
I think that if he had done a range charge at each Supercharger (probably not even that much), no overnight charging would have been necessary, and he could have nicely completed with good heating and only the existing Superchargers.
(BTW, another report on the TM forum points out that the charging loss in parking is large in the beginning, and then becomes much smaller later on. Besides I'm not sure about his numbers regarding that point).
If I had a Model S in that area, I'd try to confirm this and examine the optimal solution in total, as well as at each step.
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Thumbs up to Jefferies. The first one who sounds not intimidated by this story and the misperception it creates.
Elon Musk @elonmusk NYTimes article about Tesla range in cold is fake. Vehicle logs tell true story that he didn't actually charge to max & took a long detour.
Elon Musk @elonmusk Tesla blog coming soon detailing what actually happened on Broder's NYTimes "range test". Also lining up other journalists to do same drive.
Elon Musk @elonmusk Tesla blog coming soon detailing what actually happened on Broder's NYTimes "range test". Also lining up other journalists to do same drive.
carrerascott
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PureAmps
Model S P85 (#2817)
CNBC just did a tease going into a commercial break, that Elon will be on air soon to discuss the NY Times debacle.
carrerascott
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Mycroft
Life happens
I haven't bothered re-reading the article, but my impression is that he asked a Tesla rep each time if the amount he charged would be enough. So I assumed it was a rep who was either lacked experience/knowledge or who was trying to bend over backward to make the reporter think he didn't have to cool his heels at a charging station too long. If the reporter took long detours, that changes things considerably.
As for charging to the max, again, if the rep didn't instruct the reporter to perform a range charge, then the rep was at fault.
As for charging to the max, again, if the rep didn't instruct the reporter to perform a range charge, then the rep was at fault.
Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
Gotta love E. He calls 'em as he sees 'em. Just the raw truth. So refreshing.
If something is wrong he says: "it's wrong". When something is false he says "It's false". You don't have to agree with his every opinion or POV on things but it's just so nice to have a buiseness leader that honest and straight forward. Insipres confidence!
(Hope he's right about the logs, but I'm sure he is)
carrerascott
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They're talking about it on CNBC (Elon isn't on but they're talking about it). Nice screen time and press.
PureAmps
Model S P85 (#2817)
Yeah, no Elon yet. But CNBC is milking it today, they just did another tease going into the commercial break. A mystery guest is going to come on and explain why the NY Times article "has to be wrong". This could go on all day!
Here are the exact tweets from Elon- there were 3
1) elonmusk: NYTimes article about Tesla range in cold is fake. Vehicle logs tell true story that he didn't actually charge to max & took a long detour.
2) elonmusk: Tesla blog coming soon detailing what actually happened on Broder's NYTimes "range test". Also lining up other journalists to do same drive.
3) elonmusk: Tesla data logging is only turned on with explicit written permission from customers, but after Top Gear BS, we always keep it on for media.
NY Times: busted
1) elonmusk: NYTimes article about Tesla range in cold is fake. Vehicle logs tell true story that he didn't actually charge to max & took a long detour.
2) elonmusk: Tesla blog coming soon detailing what actually happened on Broder's NYTimes "range test". Also lining up other journalists to do same drive.
3) elonmusk: Tesla data logging is only turned on with explicit written permission from customers, but after Top Gear BS, we always keep it on for media.
NY Times: busted
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