Well, they still have to install CCS plugs to qualify for the IRA funds. The only change was that several states now require both CCS and NACS - putting the CCS DCFC operators in a similar disadvantage. LOL
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OEM CCS adapter now available to order in North America, Retrofit for older cars coming in 2023
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Well, they still have to install CCS plugs to qualify for the IRA funds. The only change was that several states now require both CCS and NACS - putting the CCS DCFC operators in a similar disadvantage. LOL
No, it isn't IRA funds. It would be NEVI funds. And I don't think they are going to bother. (Too many requirements.)
For example, they didn't apply to get a contract in Oregon. (Though Rivian did, and their installs don't currently meet requirements either.)
They will still need to continue with MagicDock roll outs for some % of new installs and some current locations. NACS isn't going to take hold with other OEM anywhere near as quickly as people expect and a MagicDock configured SC can always pretty easily - or already be/become a regular NACS enabled port.
israndy
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Plenty of others: BMW/Mini, Dodge/RAM/Chrysler, Nissan, Hyundai/Kia, Toyota/Lexus, Honda, Mazda, Mitsubishi, VW/Audi/Porsche
Some of them have said they are thinking about it, but haven't made the commitment yet.
pdx_m3s
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All of them are just a matter of time. It was a done deal as soon as Ford announced.
israndy
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I mention VW & Kia. Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Mitsubishi don't really make electric cars. BMW, I guess they are making EVs but think they will be one of the early manufacturers to go under trying to make great EVs w/o being able to make profit on these cars.
israndy
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Hmmm... Bold statement, unless you are gonna qualify it with "this month" or something
Tesla 30% gross margin vs legacy auto's 10%? Legacy auto must make it up in volume. LOL
smogne41
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30% for now. They are already starting to hit demand limits, and with Elon's obsession with taking things away that many people want, it is not clear how long the 'good days' will last really.
pnwadventures
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It’s really only ~18% now (which I see going lower), if we’re talking cars - which I don’t know if they are going to continue to break out. Having moved to “operating margin”, which gets a bit polluted with other products, services and financial engineering.
I worry that the switch to NACS is delaying installation of many planned, and/or actually completed, but not connected CCS1 charging stations, especially in rural areas.
I think the main thing delaying installation of new non-Tesla DC fast chargers is that the companies are waiting for the NEVI funds to be allocated. I don't think any of the money has been granted yet. (Though I think Ohio is planning to grant the first year money sometime this month.) Most states haven't even issued the RFPs yet.
As far as the "completed" but not operational sites, those are almost always missing the utility transformer. (They tend to be on back-order for 6 months to 2 years.)
davewill
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It really shouldn't. I think the addition of a second NACS plug is a fairly easy retrofit.
israndy
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If that's the plan, but they DON'T tell us the plan, I too would wait to buy a car until the final design is available. Promise us all retrofits so we'll not be shy about buying current inventory.
And you say retrofit a second plug? I would think they simply retrofit the NACS plug in place of the CCS plug. Trying to cut a hole in the sheet metal and install a secure inlet with the strength to not get ripped out of the car if someone trips over the cord would be a bit much to expect to be done by the various car's service departments.
Hopefully they go to solid conductors like Tesla uses to route power from the inlet to the power electronics. A solid aluminum bar bent at the correct locations and insulated is much cheaper to build than a stranded copper wire of the same gauge.
And you say retrofit a second plug? I would think they simply retrofit the NACS plug in place of the CCS plug. Trying to cut a hole in the sheet metal and install a secure inlet with the strength to not get ripped out of the car if someone trips over the cord would be a bit much to expect to be done by the various car's service departments.
Hopefully they go to solid conductors like Tesla uses to route power from the inlet to the power electronics. A solid aluminum bar bent at the correct locations and insulated is much cheaper to build than a stranded copper wire of the same gauge.
