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Optimum No Rise and Wax - Trying to avoid swirl marks
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Bill Foster
I'm going home!
You don’t have to use it. But Hyper seal and Opti Seal help the drying process, provide protection and increase gloss, so why not?
Fernand
Active Member
I'm not sure. Have you ever tried not drying at all after using
ONR with distilled water? I suspect the drying towels are still
pulling off contaminants, and buffing. But I've never actually
tried completely skipping the drying passes. Anybody doing that?
California is very dry part of the year. We get so much fine
sand blowing through that caring for your car is a heartbreak.
It's all dusty after a few hours. I just used some black spray
wax on my wife's car (the detailer did get all the 12 years of
water spots ground down, but there are like micro-cracks with
white primer hints). IMHO kind of low on pigment, but it did help.
An hour later I came out to check, and it had a fresh coat of that
Sahara wind-blown grit. Damn.
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joebruin77
Active Member
Yep. I experience the same thing. With my M3 being parked outside year round, that’s one reason I decided to go for the full car PPF. Maybe we’ll change your mind about PPF yet.....LOL
I think it's worth it. It's a pricey up front investment, but it's a huge time saver, saves you from having to touch your car, and it really works. I was shocked at how I had zero spots on my car even after leaving it in the sun. It's almost like magic.
Fernand
Active Member
So, @Jefsla you actually have a resin deionizer?
Before spending on a deionizer, maybe we try it first?
But then distilled water is certainly even cleaner.
You can usually find it at discount for like $0.50/gal.
If we could just get it supercheap in bulk ...
A pump sprayer works great for distilled water & ONR,
I got the corrosive-resistant model just to be sure.
So the recipe would be:
1) blow off or dust off the dirt overcoat, 2) spray on
ONR at 1/256, 3) gently drag ONR soaked micro-
fiber wiping towels on surface and 4) just let it air dry?
I suspect the plain ONR might work best for this, the
ONRW kinda like to be buffed ;-)
For the old style soap and rinse method, one could
use a 3 gal model full of distilled water instead.
Hey, maybe that's the way to do the initial pre-soak for
ONR methods? I just use the hose if I can't dust it off,
and distilled water would be far far better.
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Yes, I have a DI system/pressure washer. Before I got it, I used to use distilled water. Distilled water is good, but distilled water =! deionized water. Distilled water still contains dissolved solids, although it's certainly better than water out of the tap. With DI water, it's 0 TDS (Total Dissolved Solids) so it's 100% pure H20. That means ZERO spots at all, even when washing a black car and leaving it directly in the sun without drying. The two aren't really comparable. DI water is far superior, and it's cheaper over the long term. I've used the ONR method with distilled water before getting this system, and the DI system is far superior when it comes to eliminating spots without putting a drying rag, or taking the time to blow the water off with a blower. The time savings alone is worth it to me, not to mention there's less of a need to put a drying towel on your paint.
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Bill Foster
I'm going home!
Bill Foster
I'm going home!
Fernand
Active Member
Not to be a jerk, but as an engineer with a bit
of chemistry background, I gotta say that H2O
distillation removes everything that isn't volatile.
By definition that means zero dissolved solids.
Trace volatile stuff? if it's volatile enough to pass
through distillation, then it's volatile enough to
immediately evaporate off the car.
Now the A+ convenience of DI water on tap cannot
be denied. Do you know how much DI H2O you
run through in gallons for a typical wash, @Jefsla ?
of chemistry background, I gotta say that H2O
distillation removes everything that isn't volatile.
By definition that means zero dissolved solids.
Trace volatile stuff? if it's volatile enough to pass
through distillation, then it's volatile enough to
immediately evaporate off the car.
Now the A+ convenience of DI water on tap cannot
be denied. Do you know how much DI H2O you
run through in gallons for a typical wash, @Jefsla ?
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Fernand
Active Member
$40k? Mine was like 55. And a joy to *uck with ;-)
But imagine if you could just spray all the crap off the
car in 3 minutes, thassit, and be ready for anybody
wants to diss your ride, or you, hey? I dunno about
Nashville, but around here we got some serious car
gloss fans, drive around in a hoopty-mobile and even
the girls on the corner will laugh you off the grid!
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Ya, distillation is going to remove just about everything. In fact, a lot of DI system's will still leave trace levels, 1 to 2 ppm. If the DI system can work with a pressure washer then that's the huge benefit. Being able to just spray the car off with the DI system and a pressure washer would be nice compared to hand rinsing the car with just a couple buckets of distilled water.
You’re not being a jerk at all. Maybe it was the water I bought from target, but it always left spots if I didn’t dry it well. The spots were no where near as bad as the tap, but there were still spots if I didn’t towel dry or blow dry.
but yeah, it’s the overall convenience as well. It’s basically like having better-than distilled water on
tap. It’s also cheaper than buying gallons of distilled water over time. A gallon here goes for $0.85. My DI system gets around 2000 gallons at 100ppm input, even more if I pre-filter it, for $399 initially (comes pre-filled with resin). 2000 gallons of distilled water = $1700. Even if I only got 500 gallons from my system, I would still come out ahead, and that’s before calculating costs of getting the water and transporting it back home, plus all of the plastic waste. Okay now I sound like I’m invested in these guys. I’m not, just a really big fan, hehe.
yep, I use a pressure washer. My system has a bypass valve so I can switch over to DI during the final rinse. I never use DI during the actual wash, just the rinse. So it doesn’t use much.
Fossil Fool
Member
3-minute drive-though car wash for me. In the Arizona desert the culprits are grit, sand, dirt, wind and sun. Hit the car wash about x2 weekly.
Fernand
Active Member
@Fossil Fool I'd love to just drive through, but if it's "no touch" they usually hose it
pretty brutally, if it's "contact sports" they scratch it up, and both technologies have
rising admission price, and they're a couple miles away.
If we could do it fast at home, isn't it kind of like owning our own arcade game?
Now @Jefsla if you'd just see the light and convert,
to ONR, or ONR+wax,
that DI system of yours could kick the llama's ass.
If I had one, I'd try
1) plain water pressure pre-wash, pick off nasties w/ favorite solvents, then
2) wash and soak panels or whole car with DI, to leave only clean water, then
3) spray on ONR solution ~ 1/100 in DI water. Normally you use 1/256, but with
the DI pass leaving that clean water on the surfaces, that would end up diluting
the total ONR about to that. Then as you watch the dirt nuking into the solution
4) soak microfibers with ONR solution, and do the customary ONR wiping, folding
and turning the cloth as dirt is pulled off the car into the microfiber cloths. If you've
never used ONR, hallelujah, you can't imagine how well that works. Then
5) Normally you'd dry with say waffle-weave microfiber drying towel(s)
but if the @Jefsla DI schtick works, you might not have to, and that would be
... NO step 5! how awesome! You wanna try it?
Me, I'm still struggling with gallon jugs 'o distilled water, but I have a feeling.
hallelujah, that between all of us here, we'll soon totally figure it out!
.
pretty brutally, if it's "contact sports" they scratch it up, and both technologies have
rising admission price, and they're a couple miles away.
If we could do it fast at home, isn't it kind of like owning our own arcade game?
Now @Jefsla if you'd just see the light and convert,
to ONR, or ONR+wax,
that DI system of yours could kick the llama's ass.
If I had one, I'd try
1) plain water pressure pre-wash, pick off nasties w/ favorite solvents, then
2) wash and soak panels or whole car with DI, to leave only clean water, then
3) spray on ONR solution ~ 1/100 in DI water. Normally you use 1/256, but with
the DI pass leaving that clean water on the surfaces, that would end up diluting
the total ONR about to that. Then as you watch the dirt nuking into the solution
4) soak microfibers with ONR solution, and do the customary ONR wiping, folding
and turning the cloth as dirt is pulled off the car into the microfiber cloths. If you've
never used ONR, hallelujah, you can't imagine how well that works. Then
5) Normally you'd dry with say waffle-weave microfiber drying towel(s)
but if the @Jefsla DI schtick works, you might not have to, and that would be
... NO step 5! how awesome! You wanna try it?
Me, I'm still struggling with gallon jugs 'o distilled water, but I have a feeling.
hallelujah, that between all of us here, we'll soon totally figure it out!
.
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I use ONR method already. But I only use it every two weeks or so or when the car is extremely filthy. Here is my regular wash method performed when needed (about once every 3-5 days or so.)
# Normal wash (performed when needed)
- Foam cannon car with ph balanced car wash soap (5 mins)
- Rinse with DI water (5 mins)
- Blow dry seals with master blaster (5 mins) (optional step)
- Let air dry
My ONR method is a bit more involved, I'm open to critiquing though if you have suggestions.
#ONR wash when really dirty (every 2 weeks or so)
- Foam cannon car with ph balanced car wash soap
- Plain water pressure wash
- Use DI-infused ONR to pre-spray and wipe down each panel using weight of rag
- Go back over panels and get any stuck on gunk using DI-infused ONR soaked rag
- Rinse with DI water
- Blow dry seals with master blaster
- Go back over with ONR solution (detailer spray) and microfiber where needed
- Spot check windows and clean as needed
It sounds like a lot, but it's really not. In 15 minutes I can have a clean car most of the time. Obviously the ONR method is a bit more involved, but that's only because I make it that way. The ONR method will work just fine eliminating the water steps, but I like the fact of giving it a good pre-wash/rinse before putting any sort of rag on my car.
Obviously tires and undercarriage are performed separately before any wash when needed. But I have my tires sealed with Tuf Shine, so they stay looking good for months between applications. Interior is cleaned as needed as well. Seats are ceramic sealed, but the interior still needs the occasional wipe down and clean with mild ONR solution. Also clean door jams and seals separately as well.
I vacuum my car's floor mats and seats every day with a shop vac, which makes it super easy to maintain, and helps prevent build up of debris. I also clean it out every day, and try to not leave anything inside of it at the end of the day. This takes only like 5 minutes, if that. It's worth it to me, as my car always looks spotless on the inside.
I hope this post doesn't come across as obsessive or over the top. It just illustrates how routine maintenance can save you from having to do these overwhelming cleanings, and prevent build up of dirt and debris.
insaneoctane
Well-Known Member
It takes me 15 minutes just to setup and put away my pressure washer (unwinding/winding connecting hoses, power, etc). Not to mention dwell time and ??? I use ONRWW weekly to clean a dusty, driven car. No pressure washer, just 1 gallon of ONRWW and several microfiber towels that are frequently folded and discarded (single bucket, never contaminated). While fairly quick, I have to skip the wheels and interior completely to approach 15 minutes!
Understandable, it's certainly not a setup for everyone. I'm still optimizing it. I keep my PW permanently connected to power, and have a quick connect system so I can be up and running in 1-2 minutes. The DI bypass is right on the unit, so with a flip off two knobs I can switch between DI water and tap water.
My process is probably overkill, as I find ONR to be amazing by itself. I just wanted to limit the amount of time I needed to put something (rag) on the car if at all possible. Plus the foam cannon is just fun to use. It's like a toy for adults. I find that if you wash your car every other day (15 minute wash as outline in prior post) you can pretty much get by with this method and only have to put a rag on the car once a month, or unless you drive through mud, etc. Washing it quickly keeps the dirt from sticking, which allows pressure water to do most, if not all, of the heavy lifting. This is even more so if you have a ceramic coating on the car.
Fernand
Active Member
We're all OCD deranged around here.
@Ckanderson is going to laugh us off the block.
Today I did a thorough 2 car distilled water and
ONRWW with my wife. It's more fun that way.
But here's the story. Her Honda is 12 years old,
it had never tasted anything but garden hose.
My wife, who used to look at the Tesla with
(justified) envy, said her car wasn't all THAT
important, and it would never look anything like
the Tesla, so she (very) mildly mocked me.
And then ... we had it totally paint-corrected.
Now it looks almost as good as the M3, just
needs a few dabs of Midnight Pearl touch-up
paint ($12.50, arrived yesterday, thank you).
And my wife is Stepford'd. She's gone OCD and
was out there with me with the pump sprayer w/
distilled water + ONRWW, commenting on - get
this - whether the waffle weave or the fluffy
microfiber drying towel is better. Ha ha, Honey.
@Ckanderson is going to laugh us off the block.
Today I did a thorough 2 car distilled water and
ONRWW with my wife. It's more fun that way.
But here's the story. Her Honda is 12 years old,
it had never tasted anything but garden hose.
My wife, who used to look at the Tesla with
(justified) envy, said her car wasn't all THAT
important, and it would never look anything like
the Tesla, so she (very) mildly mocked me.
And then ... we had it totally paint-corrected.
Now it looks almost as good as the M3, just
needs a few dabs of Midnight Pearl touch-up
paint ($12.50, arrived yesterday, thank you).
And my wife is Stepford'd. She's gone OCD and
was out there with me with the pump sprayer w/
distilled water + ONRWW, commenting on - get
this - whether the waffle weave or the fluffy
microfiber drying towel is better. Ha ha, Honey.
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