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Performance or Not? That is the question.

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dear 100thMonkey,

Geezus, dude, there's a button on your keyboard called "return" or "enter". it creates breaks in prose called "paragraphs" that make reading less of a headache than what you just put us through.

that said, i agree with everything you said. but now i gotta find some Excedrin.
 
dear 100thMonkey,

Geezus, dude, there's a button on your keyboard called "return" or "enter". it creates breaks in prose called "paragraphs" that make reading less of a headache than what you just put us through.

that said, i agree with everything you said. but now i gotta find some Excedrin.

I LOLed !

Thanks for that!

My wife looked over, saw I was on TMC, and promptly ignored me (it's a recurring issue). She could thus not LOL...

:biggrin:
 
It sucks when you are like me and on the fence of performance package or not and you placed your order after 12/31/12. Cuz I hate spending more $ than the rest of you for the same thing. But for $12K I don't think it's worth it. I have not driven the non-performance 85KW but I have the 85KW performance and loved the power. The sales associate told me that the non-performance was about 90% as fact as the reg 85KW. Thoughts on this??? I am having a tough time justifying the $3500 for the 21" wheels. Not that it's a ripoff but I am at the top of my affordability range at $88K and I think I can drive on the 19"'s for 10-20K miles and then replace them with some awesome looking 20/21" wheels with new tires for less than $3500. On that note, does anyone have any idea of cool aftermarket wheels??? Maybe a staggered offset 8.5" front 9.5" rear with a 255 front and a 275 rear tires. I know i'm just being cheap......


Obviously a very personal decision but here is what we went through, hope it helps. We went with performance, took delivery yesterday and are very pleased. we went back and forth for many months on every configuration option available. a bunch of little things came together to tip the scale in the performance direction for us. Our fourth "test" drive was of a production performance, we had a chance to go for an extended drive and it clinched the deal. this was the first time I saw the carbon fiber accents actually in a vehicle, they are much more beautiful than we had imagined from looking at the sample in store and for some reason the fit and finish feels more solid with them! We had concerns about how durable the other trim options would be and are very confident the carbon fiber has a finish that will look great for a long time to come. For my tastes, the carbon really goes well with the gray interior. I also really like the look of the spoiler with the gray metallic paint. I really don't like the look of the red piping on the black leather, so thankfully the grey leather has a tan/white piping that matches the suede ceiling. Kind of minor on one hand, on the other, it's the only color combination that really seemed to bring it all together and when you are spending this kind of money and going through the trouble of a pre-order, it should be exactly the way you want it. The other considerations for us were looks, cost, utility and resale value of the performance rims. the equation became complex, the 21's are not so great in the winter with the soft performance rubber becoming harder and slicker in cold whether, but we don't really get that much of a winter here and accept for the occasional joy ride we are hyper milers, which from talking around will likely give us about 20K miles on them, so not so bad. they curb more easily but that is preventable with the addition of relatively inexpensive gators. in terms of looks they are way more appealing to us than the 19"s and presumably have better resale value, especially if you can leverage the pre-price increase inclusion. After the price increase the performance is $2,500 extra for base and another $3,500 for the performance wheels. Since we are buying on the cusp of the increase we think we have a fair chance at recapturing some of that value if we should decide to resell the wheels or the whole car at some point. Also, we have been seriously considering going third party with the 19" rotary blade rims shown in another thread. We figure we can sell the 21"s for more than we can sell the 19", making the switch to the 3rd party 19"s less costly should we decide to go in that direction. Bottom line for the wheels, the thick spokes of the 19"s when looking from anything but perfect side profile just don't have the appeal to us, even though they are probably more practical in terms of all season tire options. we may just get spider spikes for the 21"s for an easy on off in the winter during the occasional cold snap for the few weeks/months we get ice here. it's the porcelain white ice here that make the roads so slick that cars slide off from a stand still at times. it doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's critical to have a quick way to get good traction, especially without AWD, something that only chains seems to really be able to provide. We really want to avoid having to change out tires and rims for the winter. We've only put a hundred miles on the car so far and are now in love with all aspects of the performance and are very happy we went that way. From what I've read, the place you will notice the faster zero to sixty is not actually the zero to sixty, it's the almost endless acceleration at 60+. For people who appreciate the incredible feeling of being able to jump effortlessly from 60 to 80, there is an argument for it, it's really quite exhilarating and puts the Performance S on par with some very pricy ICE cars!
 
Cuz I hate spending more $ than the rest of you for the same thing.
Speaking as an often penny pincher, you gotta let this go (regardless of whether you get Perf or not). Think of it as if prior buyers had an "expires Jan 1, 2013" coupon. It's out of your control, so don't let it bother you. :)

In case this helps as well, some of the Sig owners at times feel like we paid more for the same thing too. Especially now that the reservation-to-delivery times are in the 2-3 month range for some.

Hope this helps.
 
With the anticipated cost savings in lower fuel and maintenance costs and with the longer range, it's possible to make a rational case to purchase a standard 85 (when comparing the long-term cost of owning a luxury ICE or hybrid).

But buying the performance version can't be justified from a cost standpoint - it's a pure luxury item - better interior, spoiler and faster acceleration options that you can't buy on the standard.

I'm planning to keep this car at least 6 to 8 years - and I decided to go with the performance version - and I don't regret it.

Having a long-range EV - that is also amazingly fast and quiet was worth the $100+ extra it will cost me per month for the life of the car...
 
Obviously a very personal decision but here is what we went through, hope it helps. We went with performance, took delivery yesterday and are very pleased. we went back and forth for many months on every configuration option available. a bunch of little things came together to tip the scale in the performance direction for us. Our fourth "test" drive was of a production performance, we had a chance to go for an extended drive and it clinched the deal. this was the first time I saw the carbon fiber accents actually in a vehicle, they are much more beautiful than we had imagined from looking at the sample in store and for some reason the fit and finish feels more solid with them! We had concerns about how durable the other trim options would be and are very confident the carbon fiber has a finish that will look great for a long time to come. For my tastes, the carbon really goes well with the gray interior. I also really like the look of the spoiler with the gray metallic paint. I really don't like the look of the red piping on the black leather, so thankfully the grey leather has a tan/white piping that matches the suede ceiling. Kind of minor on one hand, on the other, it's the only color combination that really seemed to bring it all together and when you are spending this kind of money and going through the trouble of a pre-order, it should be exactly the way you want it. The other considerations for us were looks, cost, utility and resale value of the performance rims. the equation became complex, the 21's are not so great in the winter with the soft performance rubber becoming harder and slicker in cold whether, but we don't really get that much of a winter here and accept for the occasional joy ride we are hyper milers, which from talking around will likely give us about 20K miles on them, so not so bad. they curb more easily but that is preventable with the addition of relatively inexpensive gators. in terms of looks they are way more appealing to us than the 19"s and presumably have better resale value, especially if you can leverage the pre-price increase inclusion. After the price increase the performance is $2,500 extra for base and another $3,500 for the performance wheels. Since we are buying on the cusp of the increase we think we have a fair chance at recapturing some of that value if we should decide to resell the wheels or the whole car at some point. Also, we have been seriously considering going third party with the 19" rotary blade rims shown in another thread. We figure we can sell the 21"s for more than we can sell the 19", making the switch to the 3rd party 19"s less costly should we decide to go in that direction. Bottom line for the wheels, the thick spokes of the 19"s when looking from anything but perfect side profile just don't have the appeal to us, even though they are probably more practical in terms of all season tire options. we may just get spider spikes for the 21"s for an easy on off in the winter during the occasional cold snap for the few weeks/months we get ice here. it's the porcelain white ice here that make the roads so slick that cars slide off from a stand still at times. it doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's critical to have a quick way to get good traction, especially without AWD, something that only chains seems to really be able to provide. We really want to avoid having to change out tires and rims for the winter. We've only put a hundred miles on the car so far and are now in love with all aspects of the performance and are very happy we went that way. From what I've read, the place you will notice the faster zero to sixty is not actually the zero to sixty, it's the almost endless acceleration at 60+. For people who appreciate the incredible feeling of being able to jump effortlessly from 60 to 80, there is an argument for it, it's really quite exhilarating and puts the Performance S on par with some very pricy ICE cars!

Can someone please translate this for me?
 
If you like to drive aggressively and love extremely high acceleration and sharp turns, think it's worth it to get summer performance tires, and like the looks (piping and contrast inserts in the seats, suede headliner, oversized rims, spoiler, etc), go ahead, get the Performance. If you like the idea of taking your car to the track, get the Performance.

But don't fool yourself: it's 100% toy, 0% practical. You'll never need or want any of the Performance's special abilities in ordinary driving. If you're just looking for a comfortable car to drive from point A to point B, or to take a relaxing road trip in, the non-Performance will, by all accounts, still be spectacularly peppy and sporty compared to an ICE car.
 
Something else that I have not seen mentioned elsewhere, is that the Performance car has the chrome accents on the accelerator and brake pedals, where as the standard car does not.

But, we just got our S on Saturday - a 85kW Standard, and could not be happier, and I am coming out of a BMW 1M. The thing is just so earily quiet. Our car is White with Black Leather and Lacewood. Our delivery specialist (Ben) said it was the first one configured like that he had delivered, and he really liked it.

Bottom line - what ever you go with you will be happy. Enjoy the "Tesla Smile"
 
I have driven the P85 and standard 85 and I went with the standard 85. The price difference just didn't make financial sense for me and what I need the car for. The poor MS spends 90% of its life stuck in traffic during commutes and I can't really say that I've even had the opportunity to use the power of the standard 85. Living in the DC metro area sucks!

Take traffic and your usage into account for your decision.

With that said the standard 85 still hauls ass when necessary and there is a M5 in VA that can attest to how quick the car is. ;)