Performance Upgrade Price Change!

[Msjulie]

This. As a P3D- owner of 4 weeks, I couldn't have said it better.

No no no - you have a performance 3 or P3D there is no Minus, if you gotta go somewhere then you have a Performance AWD!

I am on a quest to rid the world of unfair Model 3 Performance negativity..

 

[caskater47]

It's true. I can safely speak for most of the non-P+ owners when I say we really didn't want the spoiler, aluminum pedals and 20" tires - I personally just wanted those damn red calipers. That, coupled with lingering fears that this trim could be excluded from high-end upgrades like ludicrous mode, were the only two sticking points.

Mathematically yes, current P3+ owners took an objective $5k hit with the announcement. P3 owners must deal with valuing a trim that is no longer for sale. IF we (aside from any of us) are offered compensation, we are still left with lame decisions:

-I don't want money from Tesla and don't think they should be offering it to any current owner
-I'm not sure I want any those P3+ items on my car (beyond the calipers)
-I'm not big on giving up FUSC since it was given to me for ordering early

If no one is offered anything, P3 owners objectively lose less. If only P3+ owners are offered anything, we objectively lose more.

Yup. That was essentially my rational for not picking PUP as well.

However a major part of that decision was also in the belief that the base P3D would still have performance parts like upgraded brakes, rotors, suspension, etc. Maybe not the same size as a Track version but still Performance/Sport level. Because no company would be stupid or arrogant enough to charge 11K for a software unlock and sell a product as the Perfomance edition intended to compete with the BMW M3 without putting some genuine sport improvements would they ?

When you sell a performance car at a hefty premium the way Tesla is I expect that you are getting performance parts with it. I've owned a Mustang, a Porsche and still have my Audi S4. Each of those includes sport parts at base because that's what it means to sell a car in this class. I feel cheated because the car didn't have these parts to begin with and more cheated that they unreasonably sunk the value of the car les than two months after owning it. Including PUP at base is a smart move to make it actually competitive and fix their mistake. But I think all non PUP owners should be at least given the brake calipers and any other functional part that was missing. They can keep the 20" wheels. I don't want them.

 

[Msjulie]

When you sell a performance car at a hefty premium the way Tesla is I expect that you are getting performance parts with it.

They could start by providing the bits already supposed to come on the car like the badging, even though some don't prefer it..

Unfortunately you need 20" rims for those brakes - I'm still thinking MPP rotors and d*mn myself, I may also paint the existing calipers cause I've seen some around and they just look nice..

 

[X3HaloEd]

My order agreement now has a $5,300 credit. Tesla didn't ask me but automatically provided a credit for the reduction in price. I pick up the car on November 12, so in my book they're ahead of the curve. Whether I will still have free supercharging remains to be seen, so I'll call my delivery manager at the SC today determine that.

Does your order have the PUO?

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

No no no - you have a performance 3 or P3D there is no Minus, if you gotta go somewhere then you have a Performance AWD!

I am on a quest to rid the world of unfair Model 3 Performance negativity..

The problem is that P3D is ambiguous. I’m fine with being less...negative...if someone can come up with a succinct (4 characters) shorthand which distinguishes between P3D- and P3D+, and is reasonably intuitive.
If there is no solution...well...need to stick with what works. I agree that the P3D- is a bit negative and possibly elitist, especially since it describes a unicorn, and the best Model 3 configuration. I would have ordered it if I had known it would have track mode. As is, still waiting for my P3D+.

 

[tomas]

The problem is that P3D is ambiguous. I’m fine with being less...negative...if someone can come up with a succinct (4 characters) shorthand which distinguishes between P3D- and P3D+, and is reasonably intuitive.
If there is no solution...well...need to stick with what works. I agree that the P3D- is a bit negative and possibly elitist, especially since it describes a unicorn, and the best Model 3 configuration. I would have ordered it if I had known it would have track mode. As is, still waiting for my P3D+.

It is so damn easy: P85, P85+. P90D, P90DL. These designations have been used before to differentiate without a minus.

P3D, P3D+

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

It is so damn easy: P85, P85+. P90D, P90DL. These designations have been used before to differentiate without a minus.

P3D, P3D+

Ok! So are we all agreed? No one will refer to their P3D+ as a P3D? I mean, you say it is easy, but I have my doubts. It does seem like such designations have been used in similar situations before so that seems fine. No more P3D-!

 

[MP3Mike]

It is so damn easy: P85, P85+. P90D, P90DL. These designations have been used before to differentiate without a minus.

P3D, P3D+

Ok! So are we all agreed? No one will refer to their P3D+ as a P3D? I mean, you say it is easy, but I have my doubts!

Nope, because it really is a P3D- now. So people should use P3D and P3D-.

 

[caskater47]

How about a disclaimer asterisk to indicate that non PUP cars have missing parts. Especially since all future deliveries will have PUP parts.

P3D* for non PUP trim
P3D for PUP

* This vehicle may not include some parts currently available at base.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

How about a disclaimer asterisk to indicate that non PUP cars have missing parts. Especially since all future deliveries will have PUP parts.

P3D* for non PUP trim
P3D for PUP

* This vehicle may not include some parts currently available at base.

I like this solution even better. Probably have to do P3D+ to avoid ambiguity.

 

[tomas]

Nope, because it really is a P3D- now. So people should use P3D and P3D-.

No, it is the highly desirable, much sought after, limited production mid-2018 P3D Stealth... no stupid badging or non-functional spoiler. No chrome brake pedals you can buy on Amazon for $30. No 20" pothole magnets. No gaudy red brake calipers that inhibit you from putting on 18" or 19" wheels. Goes like a bat out of hell and nobody knows til I pas them. I'm shocked I didn't have to pay extra!

 

[caskater47]

Thinking about it à little more I think they could have really avoided a lot of confusion and frustration from folks like myself if they had marketed PUP correctly. It should have read...


Track Performance Package:
Track ready performance brakes
20" wheels
Lowered suspension
Rear spoiler
Aluminum pedals
Track mode (to be released)

If they had clearly used that kind of name and description for PUP I would have been a lot less upset because it would have been clearer what I was giving up by not choosing that package. The dip in price would still have stung, but I wouldn't feel cheated as I do now. I would have gotten mostly what I paid for. Problem is that didn't happen and I don't feel I got what I paid for. Then I wouldn't have had to call and email my Delivery Specialists two dozen times to get no response in my attempt to possibly return the car only days after delivery. That's what I get for being patient and accommodating for nearly three years. Never again.

 

[BrandonLive]

Yup. That was essentially my rational for not picking PUP as well.

However a major part of that decision was also in the belief that the base P3D would still have performance parts like upgraded brakes, rotors, suspension, etc. Maybe not the same size as a Track version but still Performance/Sport level. Because no company would be stupid or arrogant enough to charge 11K for a software unlock and sell a product as the Perfomance edition intended to compete with the BMW M3 without putting some genuine sport improvements would they ?

When you sell a performance car at a hefty premium the way Tesla is I expect that you are getting performance parts with it. I've owned a Mustang, a Porsche and still have my Audi S4. Each of those includes sport parts at base because that's what it means to sell a car in this class. I feel cheated because the car didn't have these parts to begin with and more cheated that they unreasonably sunk the value of the car les than two months after owning it. Including PUP at base is a smart move to make it actually competitive and fix their mistake. But I think all non PUP owners should be at least given the brake calipers and any other functional part that was missing. They can keep the 20" wheels. I don't want them.

On one hand, I agree that selling the car at that high of a premium with the only difference being a vaguely described binning or testing difference in motors was a money grab, and that separating it from the PUP made the P3D- seem like a weird, incomplete offering.

However, they’ve been very clear about the distinction, and there’s no reason at all that you should’ve been uninformed if you got your car two months ago. The website, sales people, reviews, Musk tweets, everything was very clear that the Performance trim without PUP was *exactly* the same as the AWD model but with faster acceleration due to higher motor output.

I think what they’re doing now makes sense and probably is how they should have offered things to begin with (pricing aside, they should’ve never had a P3D- model and just had the P3D+).

 

[caskater47]

On one hand, I agree that selling the car at that high of a premium with the only difference being a vaguely described binning or testing difference in motors was a money grab, and that separating it from the PUP made the P3D- seem like a weird, incomplete offering.

However, they’ve been very clear about the distinction, and there’s no reason at all that you should’ve been uninformed if you got your car two months ago. The website, sales people, reviews, Musk tweets, everything was very clear that the Performance trim without PUP was *exactly* the same as the AWD model but with faster acceleration due to higher motor output.

I think what they’re doing now makes sense and probably is how they should have offered things to begin with (pricing aside, they should’ve never had a P3D- model and just had the P3D+).

Don't forget I ordered my car back at the end of May, early June before most information had been known. At no point did anyone I talked to clarify further what I was buying. It was my fault apparently for not having elon's Twitter on a watch list and actively reading these forums for a car I didn't own yet so I could change my mind only days before taking delivery. Instead I picked up the car, realized I made a mistake and then couldn't get a hold of anyone to fix it. On day two I even said to myself "just drive it back to the delivery center and be done." but I talked myself out do it. "no. They'll get back to you. Just wait for them to respond. It's only been a day..." Now I'm stuck with it. I'd consider selling if it wouldn't cost me a massive hit in value like it is now.

 

[Msjulie]

The problem is that P3D is ambiguous. I’m fine with being less...negative...if someone can come up with a succinct (4 characters) shorthand which distinguishes between P3D- and P3D+,

It is so damn easy: P85, P85+. P90D, P90DL. These designations have been used before to differentiate without a minus.

Yup exactly. And less negative.. since too many seem to think that those that preferred to keep some range and skip 20" rims are somehow too stupid to understand the 'value' of the upgrades and should be treated somehow less...

 

[caskater47]

I think what they’re doing now makes sense and probably is how they should have offered things to begin with (pricing aside, they should’ve never had a P3D- model and just had the P3D+).

For the record I completely agree with you on this point. And if that had cost 69k when I bought I probably still would have pulled the trigger on it and wouldn't be complaining right now because I'd still have my FUSC.

 

[pdxev]

Free supercharging is to the car. Not the owner. As long as you got it when there was the referral system.

His new offer of free supercharging is to the owner for those that did not have it and want it instead of the $5k. I already have the Free Super Charger for the car as an August buyer.

I keep hearing this about owners want $5K and FUSC because of the referral system. Here is why it doesn't totally make sense: Referral FUSC only became available in August. Everybody who ordered before August received FUSC, not through the referral system, but just by ordering early. Are you saying that because you ordered later and used the referral system, you deserve to keep FUSC?

 

[Msjulie]

they should’ve never had a P3D- model and just had the P3D+

Those constructs are ours, annoyingly inaccurate at that - Tesla offered a performance model and additional upgrades. Now they bundle the upgrades into the model - even the website shows it as optional except you can't unselect it..

They used to offer a RWD with upgrades which are not yet optional but in theory will be..

Semantics matter.

If what they offer now is easier for them, fine enough but that's just less options for us. The cost had nothing to do with my choice not to get the optional upgrades... so in that sense I'm lucky they used to be more flexible with the options available.

Less options are easier but it's simply an opinion to say it's better to have fewer, an opinion clearly many folks do not share

 

[caskater47]

Those constructs are ours, annoyingly inaccurate at that - Tesla offered a performance model and additional upgrades. Now they bundle the upgrades into the model - even the website shows it as optional except you can't unselect it..

They used to offer a RWD with upgrades which are not yet optional but in theory will be..

Semantics matter.

If what they offer now is easier for them, fine enough but that's just less options for us. The cost had nothing to do with my choice not to get the optional upgrades... so in that sense I'm lucky they used to be more flexible with the options available.

Less options are easier but it's simply an opinion to say it's better to have fewer, an opinion clearly many folks do not share

I think the biggest reason why people wanted the option was to avoid the 20" wheels. I'm pretty sure if the base model had all the other parts (spoiler, brakes, pedals, etc) nobody would've complained. It's unclear to me why they created the options package they did. If doesn't really satisfy anyone's true desires. I think they were being lazy. The community asked to create an option without the 20" wheels but they didn't have 18/19" compatible wheels on hand so they started removing other parts of the car that should have been included at base. Then they added a spoiler and pedals to make it look more like a premium package that was worth the cost. It's a classic lazy money grab move.

 

[pdxev]

Just a question to those complaining that their vehicles depreciated $5K overnight:

Will your vehicles appreciate $3750 on January 1?