Performance Upgrade Price Change!

[Glamisduner]

You flushed away most of the purchase price of the car simply by completing the deal. You lost 20% on day 1.

If the vehicle is subpar return it, lemon it, sell it. Pick one.

yea because those are easy things to do. Sure, sell a week old car that has a bunch of issues, lose the tax credit, take the 20% hit followed by the 5% hit. So what a $40,000 loss? because that makes sense....

Like I said money must come allot easier to you than the rest of us. In which case why do you care if tesla gives us something back? Why are you even posting in this thread if it has nothing to do with you.

You can't lemon a car that has not even gone into the shop yet. And if you can't get it into service then what?

 

[clostridium]

I am right there with you, the entitlement is disgusting. Some people are still upset, and trying to figure out how they squeeze this opportunity for more.

Goods change in cost, get over it. They might be cheaper for someone else, especially in a tech market, where things command a premium when released but slowly drop in cost as the market changes.
Only mistake Tesla (Elon) made is capitulating to the pressure. The only ones entitled to a price adjustment are those who haven't taken delivery yet (or perhaps those to that are waiting on repairs but that's a slippery slope). Everyone in question getting a goodwill adjustment, which is nice but I worry has set a bad precedent.

It seems what they were trying to do is increase sales of P3D by accepting a lower margin, and I commend that. In my opinion, refunds are waaaayyyy too far for folks who have had the car and enjoyed it already.

I understand your point of view and agree with almost all of it but it doesn't seem appropriate to group all the people who are caught in this as being entitled and/or only trying to squeeze the company. Someone that ordered the car and it hasn't shown up yet and then this big price change seem like they have the most standing to be upset as you do mention.

After that it gets more gray - people that got the car within the past week or two have a lesser case. And so forth as you work backwards and it only gets more gray over time.

As a person that took delivery about a week or so ago of a P3- I don't think it's morally imperative that Tesla do anything for me related to this pricing change. It does make me wonder why weeks and weeks of essentially no followup or clarifications of what was happening with my delivery suddenly became an urgent matter for Tesla to make right. Was that because of a planned pricing change? Who knows. I will give them the benefit of the doubt because I don't think their delivery infrastructure is organized enough to be that "diabolical." I'd definitely appreciate the good will and won't turn down whatever they offer me and I believe that overall it would be a smart move for them to do something nice but that doesn't make me entitled. And most of the posts I've read on this thread are similar. Yes, there are some people that come across as entitled but they are in the minority.

There are so many times in the ordering and delivery process that Tesla essentially forces me and others to tolerate their inadequacies. There are still people with unlimited supercharging getting charged for supercharging. They couldn't provide a trade in value for my car until literally 36 hours before the delivery date which greatly restricted my flexibility in determining whether to 3rd party sell, trade, etc. because one needs an offer to make decisions especially in a state where you can deduct from the sales tax if you trade. They fouled up the loan process and couldn't coordinate properly which got even more messy because they didn't have the trade value until last minute.

They also have long ways to go on delivery of service and repairs. And in following through on promises on availability of certain features (FSD being the most obvious). Many of the people on these forums (myself included) have been willing to give them passes on this stuff as long as they continue to improve because we love their cars and believe in the mission.

That goodwill from all of us and investors is a sort of currency that has allowed Tesla to push forwards and do some amazing things. There will come a day very soon when they will be dealing most of the time with the general public and not the evangelists as the population of people buying or thinking about buying their cars and powerwalls expands. Then the patience for their inadequacies will become far less. And doing stuff to promote goodwill will become more important.

Craig

 

[MXWing]

You flushed away most of the purchase price of the car simply by completing the deal. You lost 20% on day 1.

If the vehicle is subpar return it, lemon it, sell it. Pick one.

@Glamisduner situation is way more complex than your one sentence solutions can solve.

You are like the guy with TWO Performance Model 3's who had no issue with losing $10K overnight.

If you swim in the mass market pool you deal with the mass market swimmers.

Right/wrong/indifferent - that is how it is.

 

[Vines]

I understand your point of view and agree with almost all of it but it doesn't seem appropriate to group all the people who are caught in this as being entitled and/or only trying to squeeze the company. Someone that ordered the car and it hasn't shown up yet and then this big price change seem like they have the most standing to be upset as you do mention. Craig

Great point and you are correct that the majority of owners or even responders to this thread aren't who I was referring to. More like a few coloring that i was referring to, not meaning to imply everyone.

 

[AWDtsla]

yea because those are easy things to do. Sure, sell a week old car that has a bunch of issues, lose the tax credit, take the 20% hit followed by the 5% hit. So what a $40,000 loss? because that makes sense....

Oh so selling immediatley is not an option? Tell me more about how took a "$5000" depreciation hit.... WTF

Like I said money must come allot easier to you than the rest of us. In which case why do you care if tesla gives us something back? Why are you even posting in this thread if it has nothing to do with you.

Discretionary spending on 70k-80k cars, plus tax, insurance and registration. Does this really sound like we're in a rich vs poor argument here? Thy cup runneth over.

You can't lemon a car that has not even gone into the shop yet. And if you can't get it into service then what?

Is the car "subpar" or is it not? Sounds like you hate it. Sucks you have to wait to get it into service. But then I suggest you lemon it.

 

[chr147]

I just got off the phone with them, and the customer service rep told me that they don't have details yet for the 5K refund but they will tag my account for this and shoot me an email when details arrive. What is everyone else hearing?

 

[Mav777]

Same

 

[Glamisduner]

Oh so selling immediatley is not an option? Tell me more about how took a "$5000" depreciation hit.... WTF

Discretionary spending on 70k-80k cars, plus tax, insurance and registration. Does this really sound like we're in a rich vs poor argument here? Thy cup runneth over.


Is the car "subpar" or is it not? Sounds like you hate it. Sucks you have to wait to get it into service. But then I suggest you lemon it.

If it ends up meeting the requirements to lemon the car of course I would. Yes I'm mad with tesla and the quality of the car. That's why it has the name F Tesla. It also tried to crash me into a freeway median today on my way to work testing EAP on NAV, so I guess it's not liking it's new name.

 

[tomas]

For the love of all things holy, can we ever dispense with P3D MINUS ... sigh,,, call my car an AWD+ since that is more accurate... maybe I just need to change my sig to that..

I just call mine a P3D. I’ve never owned a minus anything in my life !

 

[tomas]

If it ends up meeting the requirements to lemon the car of course I would. Yes I'm mad with tesla and the quality of the car. That's why it has the name F Tesla. It also tried to crash me into a freeway median today on my way to work testing EAP on NAV, so I guess it's not liking it's new name.

I sympathize with your car’s emotions

 

[Vines]

I sympathize with your car’s emotions

Hahah! Well said!

 

[The805]

Well I'm dressing up as Elon for Halloween tomorrow night and instead of candy, I'll be handing out $5K checks to the kids. We're expecting long lines.

 

[Shizzrock]

I just realized how crazy this move was, because I've seen thread after thread dissing the boat anchor wheels, saying you don't need the brakes, calling it a vanity upgrade, saying they'd rather have the efficiency, mod with aftermarket, etc. Those people have no way to get their car now and also feel cheated. I still think this is more about logistics than pricing, and in Elon's mind he thought just bundling it would be a win win instead of taking an L

 

[Perry]

I just got off the phone with them, and the customer service rep told me that they don't have details yet for the 5K refund but they will tag my account for this and shoot me an email when details arrive. What is everyone else hearing?

Same except that they told me there is no way to tag the account and to wait for them to reach out. If they don't then you get nothing.

 

[caskater47]

Same except that they told me there is no way to tag the account and to wait for them to reach out. If they don't then you get nothing.

I don't think it's a matter of tagging your account. When I talked to the rep he said he put notes on my account but that everyone would get an email. So presumably all P3D owners should get an email with the details, not just those that call.

 

[MXWing]

Same except that they told me there is no way to tag the account and to wait for them to reach out. If they don't then you get nothing.

Pretty sure that is FUD. Makes no sense at all if the refund or credit process is inconsistent.

What they do for one they do for all. Whether that is 5000 or nothing it should be consistent.

Otherwise you just compound the problem.

Elon can say I no longer speak for Tesla officially on my own account and wash his hands of the whole thing.

 

[whitex]

It's very unlikely there is any legal redress, because no one purchased a Model 3 P3D+ or P3D- based upon the promise of a refund or upgrade. Musk's retrospective musings on what people could be offered, so their delicate sensitivities are coddled, isn't the basis for legal action.

If someone could prove they made a financial decision based upon what he said, that could be grounds for a suit. Otherwise, nope.

If someone went out and spent the $5,000 after his tweet, then they have made a financial decision based on his offer. Maybe they dropped it all at a casino, no way to recover it.

 

[whitex]

Some have asked for a legal opinion. I have been a lawyer for 40 years. I’m sure there are many others here.

Each fact scenario needs its own analysis. Mine is very simple. I bought a 3p+ with unlimited supercharging.
Elon, on behalf of Tesla, offered to refund $5k to me in exchange for me giving up the supercharging. I saved that tweeted offer, shown on various pages. I accepted the offer in writing, by email, app message, and snail mail, all saved.

I will get my $5,000. The chances are 99%. If you are in CA and in the same boat, you can do it in Small Claims Court. I will be in Superior Court if Tesla doesn’t pay voluntarily, because I will add a claim of fraud for selling a spoiler and badging when they had neither.

P.S. I love my car!

Except that the offer you received was from someone who holds no official position at Tesla. Elon just annouced that he gave up all his official positions/titles at the company last week, BEFORE he made the tweet. So promises from him hold no more value that a random Tesla employee telling you that they'll give everyone a free P100D.

Elon Musk says he deleted his Tesla titles 'to see what would happen'

So, for all those who are planning to hold Elon reponsible, you forgot he's a clever guy and thinks out of the box. By announcing that he stripped himself of any official company position prior to the tweet in question, he's indirectly telling you "I had no official power to promise you anything at all".

 

[caskater47]

Elon can say I no longer speak for Tesla officially on my own account and wash his hands of the whole thing.

You should ask Elon and Tesla how well that argument worked out with the SEC after his "taking Tesla private" tweet.

 

[Glamisduner]

Except that the offer you received was from someone who hold no position at Tesla. Elon just annouced that he gave up all his official positions/titles at the company last week, BEFORE he made the tweet. So promises from him hold no more value that a random Tesla employee telling you that they'll give everyone a free P100D.

Elon Musk says he deleted his Tesla titles 'to see what would happen'

So, for all those who are planning to hold Elon reponsible, you forgot he's a clever guy and thinks out of the box. By announcing that he stripped himself of any official company position, he's indirectly telling you "I had no official power to promise you anything at all".

"Legally required officers of a corporation are president, treasurer & secretary. Guess I have to keep 1st one or it will confuse the authorities."