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This is impossible to answer since it depends entirely on your personal energy usage patterns. The EV-A rate is generally a good deal *if* you can avoid using energy during the peak period (2pm-9pm on weekdays, 3pm-7pm on weekends). The peak rate is super expensive, especially during summer (almost 50c/kWh), so if you use any significant energy there, it will quickly eat up any potential savings from charging your car overnight. You may want to take a look at your energy use history on PG&E's web site (you can switch to daily view to see per-hour statistics). Compared to your existing tiered plan, the off-peak rate is very cheap (~13c/kWh), and the part-peak rate similar to tier 2.If anyone has a similar situation, how much less is your power bill on average compared to before you bought your car and enrolled in their EV program? 30% less? 20% less? If your bill was normally $100 (let’s say) would your bill be around $70?
‘I’ll definitely get that app when i get everything going. If you don’t mind, i’m Just curious to what the actual dollar amounts are that the incentives provide. Is it some like like before incentives your power bill was $200, and now its $100?PG&E Toolkit (now $8, was $5 when I first bought it) was well worth it. I saved hundreds of dollars. Try it out:
My PG&E Toolkit
I didn't get the cloud storage options, and I don't think I needed them. They may have changed how it works; try without.
He will immediately save money by changing to EV-A and the savings will only get bigger with the second EV. There is no reason to cling on to E-6. I had the same feelings about E-9A to EV-A, but I realized that I would eventually be kicked off, so better lock in the savings sooner.
It is highly unlikely to make that much of a difference. How much do you expect to drive per day? Assume, say, that you'd drive 50 miles/day on average. Given an energy consumption of about 330Wh/mile for your Model S, that corresponds to about 16kWh/day. Overnight charging on the EV-A plan would save you about 13c/kWh compared to the tier 2 rate in your current plan, which is a little more than $2 per day in this scenario. On the other hand, the cost of your non-car energy use would likely increase a bit unless you can shift everything out of peak time.‘I’ll definitely get that app when i get everything going. If you don’t mind, i’m Just curious to what the actual dollar amounts are that the incentives provide. Is it some like like before incentives your power bill was $200, and now its $100?
What i forgot to mention is that i will rarely be charging my car at home. I have an insanely convenient supercharger next to my work, with free super charging, so i’ll Be using that for 90% of my cars charge.It is highly unlikely to make that much of a difference. How much do you expect to drive per day? Assume, say, that you'd drive 50 miles/day on average. Given an energy consumption of about 330Wh/mile for your Model S, that corresponds to about 16kWh/day. Overnight charging on the EV-A plan would save you about 13c/kWh compared to the tier 2 rate in your current plan, which is a little more than $2 per day in this scenario. On the other hand, the cost of your non-car energy use would likely increase a bit unless you can shift everything out of peak time.
Not sure what EV discount you mean. What PG&E offers for EV owners are TOU plans that have significantly lower rates during the night in exchange for very expensive rates in the afternoon/evening. So if you don't plan to actually charge the car overnight, there is no benefit unless you can shift a lot of your normal energy use to the night.So i’d Get the EV discount, but wont be using any more power than normal at my house. (Shhhh, don’t tell them). I’m wondering how much of a % discount would be reflected on my monthly bill. Same power usage, but now on a EV plan. Our house is basically off during peak hours anyway because my wife and i are both working
You work until 9PM weekdays, because that is when the super high rates go down to just expensive.Our house is basically off during peak hours anyway because my wife and i are both working
I did change from E-6 to EV-A a couple months ago - shortly after the Model 3 arrived. So far it seems to be a win. Perhaps I should have done it sooner...
Thanks!
I am thinking to change from E-6 to EV-A, do you still think if was good decision?
When we were back on E-6 I started charging our Volt at 11:00 pm, instead of 9 pm. After a few months of this, I could then credibly use the rate estimator at the PG&E web site. It would estimate that I might only save $50 or so per year with EV-A. So it wasn't enough to bother with the uncertainty of changing plans. But now we've added overnight Model 3 charging, it has swung greatly in favor of EV-A.
I should note that we also have a 6.38 kW solar system and NEMS metering.
No, the Tariff lists the all-in retail price. On EV-A (whole house metered EV service) the actual rates effective Jan 1, 2019 are the following:I noticed how people quote the 0.13/kWh off peak rates, but doesn’t that only include delivery? Generation costs about 0.02/kWh, making the rate actually around 0.15/kWh, right? Anyway, I'm going to be using the delivery PLUS generation costs in my calculations below.
Then why are there two sections for the electrical part of my bill, one for delivery and one for generation? I've cut and pasted the two relevant sections from my last bill. Both sections contribute to the total of the bill.No, the Tariff lists the all-in retail price. On EV-A (whole house metered EV service) the actual rates effective Jan 1, 2019 are the following:
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Miraculously, the rates actually went down across the board. That's what the (R) means. So, the total rate (energy charge) during Off-Peak is less than 13 cents per kWh. If you want to see the whole tariff, including the breakdown of generation, transmission, distributions, etc. you can read the tariff here: https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/tariffbook/ELEC_SCHEDS_EV (Sch).pdf
I believe that link will always resolve to the rates currently in effect.
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Looking at the Unbundled Rates, the Transmission and DWR Bond charges went down while the Distribution went up in the Peak and Part-Peak periods.
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Then why are there two sections for the electrical part of my bill, one for delivery and one for generation? I've cut and pasted the two relevant sections from my last bill. Both sections contribute to the total of the bill.
This is because the power is sourced from a local CCA in your area. You'll notice a "Generation Credit" in the PG&E part of the bill. This is a reimbursement for PG&E's generation charges since you no longer use their power. There is also a "Power Charge Indifference Adjustment" and "Franchise Fee" that PG&E charges to pay for contractual obligations from the time before the CCA.Then why are there two sections for the electrical part of my bill, one for delivery and one for generation? I've cut and pasted the two relevant sections from my last bill. Both sections contribute to the total of the bill.