Phantom braking

[MrBadger]

Did not have the dashcam on. Would be hard to turn it on when the AEB acts up. Too busy with the car. However, might investigate whether I can just keep it on.

TeslaCam is always on when driving. If an incident occurs you need to actively save the incident. There is plenty of time to regain composure and save (by pressing dash cam button or, if enabled, the horn) after an event - in fact saving too quickly after an event risks loosing the specific moment.

 

[Adopado]

Did not have the dashcam on. Would be hard to turn it on when the AEB acts up. Too busy with the car.

You did have the dashcam running. You are confusing it with the function of Sentry Mode perhaps. You can save it for a good while after the event.

 

[fhteagle]

I wish dashcam also recorded the contents of the infotainment screen too. Would love to know what percentage of these events are related to false speed limit change glitch, incorrectly detected object, TACC staying latched onto a car that is fully in another lane, etc....

 

[pdk42]

This is an excellent video that will show you why the Tesla driving automation is a million miles away from being able actually do self-driving reliably.

 

[yessuz]

this is very good video tbh

 

[pdk42]

this is very good video tbh

Yes, that’s what I thought. Informative and balanced.

 

[chris.hauser@d]

There is a section near Cambridge on the M11 that drops to 40 every time.

 

[cwerdna]

The problem continues to other models through 2023.

Yes. My 2023 Model 3 (current mileage 7,000) suddenly went into emergency braking on May 15, 2024 while in cruise mode at 72 mph. Fortunately, I do not use any of the AutoPilot stuff (do not trust it after trying for a few minutes) and was able to retain control. Also, fortunately, traffic was light and no one was tailgating me, although I am sure some folks to the rear had to slow down quickly. Reported to Tesla. Told to report to dealer. Did so. Dealer without looking at the vehicle indicated it did not find anything unusual in the telemetry, some glips are to be expected, and driver is responsible for retaining control. Dealer thereupon cancelled the appointment. I was shocked and was able to download the telemetry. None existed for the approximate time periods during which the incident occurred. Wierd.

According to articles I dug up, drivers have reported more than 400,000 instances of phantom breaking to NHTSA. It is investigating approximately 700 plus reports from Tesla owners.

We need a class action suit or more proactive NHTSA. Know of any ongoing suits that would include 2023 and subsequent year models?

Did you opt out of Tesla's arbitration clause? If not, you might be out of luck on the class action part. A lawyer may need to step in to provide advice here.

I don't know how long Tesla's been doing this but it possibly dates back to 2020 or even 2018. See below, for example:

Agreement to Arbitrate

For those of you who have taken delivery, have you opted out of the arbitration agreement? From everything I’ve read, whenever it’s possible to do so, you should opt out. An important legal right that is lost by remaining party to this agreement is the ability to join in a class action against...

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Opt-out of Arbitration without VIN

Questions regarding opting out of Arbitration: 1) Once you get your VIN are folks sending a mail to Tesla ( from the order agreement ) to decline Arbitration? It says you can opt out of the arbitration agreement by mailing within 30 days of order, but I need to give them the VIN in the mail...

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Tesla Arbitration Procedure

Looking for guidance regarding correct procedure to start an arbitration case with Tesla. If you have used this process, can you advise how best to get this going? What was your experience with AAA and were you satisfied with the process (weather or not the case went your way)? I have...

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Someone else will need to give me a history lesson as I only realized/learned of this in the past ~6 months or so. (No, I don't have a Tesla so it doesn't affect me but I have seen numerous arbitration clauses in other products and services that do bother me.)

 

[KennethS]

Did you opt out of Tesla's arbitration clause? If not, you might be out of luck on the class action part. A lawyer may need to step in to provide advice here.

I don't know how long Tesla's been doing this but it possibly dates back to 2020 or even 2018. See below, for example:

Agreement to Arbitrate

For those of you who have taken delivery, have you opted out of the arbitration agreement? From everything I’ve read, whenever it’s possible to do so, you should opt out. An important legal right that is lost by remaining party to this agreement is the ability to join in a class action against...

teslamotorsclub.com

Opt-out of Arbitration without VIN

Questions regarding opting out of Arbitration: 1) Once you get your VIN are folks sending a mail to Tesla ( from the order agreement ) to decline Arbitration? It says you can opt out of the arbitration agreement by mailing within 30 days of order, but I need to give them the VIN in the mail...

teslamotorsclub.com

Tesla Arbitration Procedure

Looking for guidance regarding correct procedure to start an arbitration case with Tesla. If you have used this process, can you advise how best to get this going? What was your experience with AAA and were you satisfied with the process (weather or not the case went your way)? I have...

teslamotorsclub.com

Someone else will need to give me a history lesson as I only realized/learned of this in the past ~6 months or so. (No, I don't have a Tesla so it doesn't affect me but I have seen numerous arbitration clauses in other products and services that do bother me.)

That seems to be somewhat unique to orders placed in the USA. I looked back and neither our M3P nor MYLR orders (from 2017 and 2022 respectively) have an arbitration clause. I say "somewhat" because our 2019 Cybertruck order does curiously have the arbitration clause.

Please no jabs that we made a Cybertruck reservation...

 

[cwerdna]

Maybe so. I noticed bearscat is in Santa Barbara (I’ve been there), in my state yet this thread is in UK and Ireland area. And, NHTSA is a US agency.