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Absolutely. Get the ball rolling by talking to a lawyer, then give us the details and contact info to join in.sent a note about phantom braking to Elon on "X" no reply, will be rear ended sometime with this problem. Class action suit?
Interesting. I suppose everyone is different. Intervening then re-engaging FSDb has become second nature to me, and I don’t feel particularly bothered by the frequency (doesn’t seem that bad to me). But, I also understand I’m probably not the norm. I’m also all for Tesla throwing resources at improving this.I'm ordinarily not a fan of litigation as a means to solve a problem, but in this case I think it's justified. Might even breeze through under Tesla's "we don't fight lawsuits that are justified" policy... But probably not.
Phantom braking, and the associated false collision warnings, false lane departure interventions, etc are the single most dangerous and distracting aspect of our Model Y.
Gathering accurate data on activations is going to be tough, and the case may hinge on that. But even if it raises visibility and gets more Tesla development team time and focus on the issue, I'll call it a win. In the race to get FSD and other advanced stuff done, the introduced bugs to basic features like cruise control and AEB has gone away beyond reasonable.
Interesting. I suppose everyone is different. Intervening then re-engaging FSDb has become second nature to me
I'm getting phantom braking on just TACC (no auto steer) and I'm getting false AEB / Lane departure interventions on fully manual driving.
I have never paid for FSD(b), and considering what I've seen of Tesla software so far, I probably won't be any time soon.
In the past year Tesla has greatly decreased the number of phantom braking events for both of our cars (FSD and non FSD). I have one "magic" spot on a local street though where both my Teslas want to stop (not abruptly) for basically no reason in the middle of the road. It must be either some mapping issue I guess, but I am not sure.Have a 2020 M3 LR and it’s been a while since I’ve had a dramatic phantom braking event (the kind where you go from 70mph to 30mph on the interstate). In fact I finally developed enough confidence to take my wife on a 1600 mile road trip (she would NOT tolerate phantom braking well).
I used FSBb for about 90% of the drive, which was nearly all interstate. There were a few slight random slowdowns, some of which I figured out (e.g. pedestrian in breakdown lane) and some that I couldn’t, but it was basically not a factor. Not sure my wife even noticed.
I’m not suggesting phantom braking isn’t a thing, I’ve experienced it many times, just not recently, at least nothing scary.
I think it is outrageous that Elon hasn't answered your request within 24 business hours. I can recommend you a good lawyer who is looking for job now, his name is Rudy and he's from New York.sent a note about phantom braking to Elon on "X" no reply, will be rear ended sometime with this problem. Class action suit?
Yeah the phantom braking is TACC or autopilot on our '21 MYLR. Makes it totally unusable. Neighbor has a '21 MS and he hates it solely due to the phantom braking, so much so that he said he's probably going to sell it and just drive his Jeep Wrangler (which, IMO as a previous owner of five Wranglers, is even more of a piece of junk).I'm getting phantom braking on just TACC (no auto steer) and I'm getting false AEB / Lane departure interventions on fully manual driving.
I have never paid for FSD(b), and considering what I've seen of Tesla software so far, I probably won't be any time soon.
So, you "was able to download the telemetry". Can you tell me more about this part? I am also confused as you claim the AEB system misfire (which are very very rare based on very few reports existing here, for example), but the AEB is not really the AP or FSD.Yes. My 2023 Model 3 (current mileage 7,000) suddenly went into emergency braking on May 15, 2024 while in cruise mode at 72 mph. Fortunately, I do not use any of the AutoPilot stuff (do not trust it after trying for a few minutes) and was able to retain control. Also, fortunately, traffic was light and no one was tailgating me, although I am sure some folks to the rear had to slow down quickly. Reported to Tesla. Told to report to dealer. Did so. Dealer without looking at the vehicle indicated it did not find anything unusual in the telemetry, some glips are to be expected, and driver is responsible for retaining control. Dealer thereupon cancelled the appointment. I was shocked and was able to download the telemetry. None existed for the approximate time periods during which the incident occurred.
According to articles I dug up, drivers have reported more than 400,000 instances of phantom breaking to NHTSA. It is investigating approximately 700 plus reports from Tesla owners.
Post contact info when you are ready to go.
P.S. One can disable AEB (check on You Tube), but must re-disable every time the vehicle is turned back on.
was it a true AEB misfire? did the car go down to 0 mph from 72 mph?Yes. My 2023 Model 3 (current mileage 7,000) suddenly went into emergency braking on May 15, 2024 while in cruise mode at 72 mph. Fortunately, I do not use any of the AutoPilot stuff (do not trust it after trying for a few minutes) and was able to retain control. Also, fortunately, traffic was light and no one was tailgating me, although I am sure some folks to the rear had to slow down quickly. Reported to Tesla. Told to report to dealer. Did so. Dealer without looking at the vehicle indicated it did not find anything unusual in the telemetry, some glips are to be expected, and driver is responsible for retaining control. Dealer thereupon cancelled the appointment. I was shocked and was able to download the telemetry. None existed for the approximate time periods during which the incident occurred.
According to articles I dug up, drivers have reported more than 400,000 instances of phantom breaking to NHTSA. It is investigating approximately 700 plus reports from Tesla owners.
Post contact info when you are ready to go.
P.S. One can disable AEB (check on You Tube), but must re-disable every time the vehicle is turned back on.
I have a similar experience. Interestingly, I only had a relatively hard PB (from 70 to 50 in a couple seconds) once in a newer Model Y about 2 years ago. Also PBs were generally noticeably deeper in 22 Model Y than in my older 19 Model 3. There were almost no PBs in the past year. It seems the traffic sign recognition accuracy dropped with newer FSD versions. Hopefully, it will go back soon when enough training data is processed.for what it's worth: My 2019 Model 3 AWD did Dallas Ft.Worth - Taos / New Mexico back and forth over Memorial Day Weekend and the following observations:
- used TACC and AP
- same conditions as last year, plenty of heat mirages, same route including notorious Amarillo - Clayton / NM road
- *zero* hard PB events - unlike last year (last year we went from 80+ mph down to 50 mph within seconds so many times we stopped using TACC/AP)
- only a handful of very gentle "confused" slow downs - especially when passing a large truck (slow down very minor... maybe 5-10 mph, kinda like letting the foot of the accelerator)
- traffic sign detection was abysmal and much worse than last year; drove right by a 75 mph sign repeatedly and car displayed 55 mph ; drove into construction zones with yellow speed signs and car didn't pick those up at all. really annoying
based on this pleasant drive - it appears that the current software in my vehicle handles heat mirages much much better than last year.
Exactly, it is both annoying and leads to potential unsafe situations. The car gives warnings for no reason, brakes for no reason. It is annoying. It is unsafe.I'm ordinarily not a fan of litigation as a means to solve a problem, but in this case I think it's justified. Might even breeze through under Tesla's "we don't fight lawsuits that are justified" policy... But probably not.
Phantom braking, and the associated false collision warnings, false lane departure interventions, etc are the single most dangerous and distracting aspect of our Model Y.
Gathering accurate data on activations is going to be tough, and the case may hinge on that. But even if it raises visibility and gets more Tesla development team time and focus on the issue, I'll call it a win. In the race to get FSD and other advanced stuff done, the introduced bugs to basic features like cruise control and AEB has gone away beyond reasonable.
But you still drive it?Exactly, it is both annoying and leads to potential unsafe situations. The car gives warnings for no reason, brakes for no reason. It is annoying. It is unsafe.