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Prediction Competition for 2016

Combined total of global deliveries of Model S and Model X in 2016?


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For 2016, the 17K model S quarterly demand like Q4 is not sustainable. But model X backlog will mitigate the demand issues. So for the Q1/Q2/Q3, TSLA SP is mainly driven by model X production rate.


Only the extremely naive believe demand just happens to grow almost perfectly aligned with Tesla guidance for production a year ahead of schedule. With Q4 always seeing a significant jump.

Of course Tesla will prioritize 3 year old reservations/orders for Model X over 3 week old order for Model S.

That will knock down Model S production significantly below 17k in Q1.

And it may knock down Model S production below 50k because it needs to produce 27k plus Model X for customers that have been waiting for over a year.

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First guess for me: lucky 7s. 77,777


I had that number weeks ago in the 2015 thread (Post 129). :)

Model S 50k
Model X 27,777
 
So I'll reserve my vote until after the ER, but right now my low end estimate would be 80k combined.

Here is my math (very high level) using workingdays.us to calculate business days for California. Assuming they produced 15k cars in Q4 (their goal was to clear the channel and sell 2k cars produced earlier), they should have exited 2015 at 234 cars/business day.

- Knowing the X ramp will only reach the top by the end of Q1, I took the same rate for January, totaling 4446.
- For February I took an average jump from 200ish to 400ish X per week, which brings us to 40 cars more per day, so 274 times 19 days = 5206.
- For March I added another 40 Xes per day and we have 22 business days, so that's 6908.
- For the rest of the year I went with their 1700 car average per week, which should allow for the Summer shutdown and unexpected events. 340 cars per day times 191 work days left = 64940.
- Grand total: 4446 + 5206 + 6908 + 64940 = 81500 cars produced.

Just to state the obvious, that would be a 63% growth YoY. I still believe the X will eventually have a higher demand than the S, so production capabilities permitting, this may get higher in the end.

PS: Even if they had 1800 cars per week (360 per day) coming off the lines for the entire year from day 1, with 251 work days, that's 90k cars. This does not take holidays and stand downs into account, nor does it calculate with the Model X ramp in Q1. So unless sometime during the year they decide to ramp overall production higher than previously announced, 90k is kind of a theoretical production limit.
 
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Extrapolation from this graph ...

50K Model S
40K Model X
90K Total for 2016

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Initial guidance for 2015 was 50,000 - 55,000 (in February 2014).

That's a range of 5,000 inbetween the low end and high end of their guidance.

Will they stick to a range of 5,000 inbetween the low end and high end of their guidance for 2016?

Or is a wider range more likely (because the total guidance numbers for 2016 will be higher anyway, than the total guidance numbers for 2015 were)?

How about a range of 10,000 inbetween the low end and high end of their guidance for 2016?
 
Initial guidance for 2015 was 50,000 - 55,000 (in February 2014).

That's a range of 5,000 inbetween the low end and high end of their guidance.

Will they stick to a range of 5,000 inbetween the low end and high end of their guidance for 2016?

Or is a wider range more likely (because the total guidance numbers for 2016 will be higher anyway, than the total guidance numbers for 2015 were)?

How about a range of 10,000 inbetween the low end and high end of their guidance for 2016?

And if they really choose to use a range of 10,000 inbetween the low end and high end of their guidance for 2016, then which of the three following options will they be more likely to guide for 2016:

A) 70,000 - 80,000
B) 75,000 - 85,000
C) 80,000 - 90,000
 
I had that number weeks ago in the 2015 thread (Post 129). :)

Model S 50k
Model X 27,777
Wow - playing both sides of the number game at the same time: cute.
That is, being both responsible (one significant digit with that 5X10^4), and irresponsibly precise with that down-to-the-last vehicle 27,777. Very funny, but I think they've invented meds for that syndrome.

I went Plan A in all my earlier predictions but yours is the first I've ever seen who uses Plans A and B. ;)

P.S. ( and almost seriously) - ∑(50K + 27,777) ≠77,777, as far as I can figure out. I'm pretty sure it equals 78K.
 
We have some data from tracking highest assigned Tesla Model S VINs from 2015 that might be interesting to consider (before making any predictions about 2016):

Highest VINs posted in the concerning thread on:

31 December 2014 - 70000
31 March 2015 - 82302
30 June 2015 - 95596
30 September 2015 - 109770
31 December 2015 - 123905

2015 Q1: 82302 - 70000 = 12302
2015 Q2: 95596 - 82302 = 13294
2015 Q3: 109770 - 95596 = 14174
2015 Q4: 123905 - 109770 = 14135

No real dependable correlation between highest assigned VINs (on both ends of a quarter), and total number of deliveries in that same quarter.

So, I guess that you cannot use this data to predict the number of deliveries in a certain quarter. But we already knew that.

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But what might be a point of some concern is the fact that the total number of the additional highest VINs from Q4 are less than the total number of the additional highest VINs from Q3 (14135 is less than 14174). And looking at prior quarters, we see that they increased from Q1 to Q2 (= +992), and then again from Q2 to Q3 (= +880), and then from Q3 to Q4 we see that it decreased with 39.

I am not predicting anything here. I am just presenting the data that we all can see in this thread. Please don't shoot the messanger. There are always multiple interpretations and clarifications for data. It's just what you are looking for.

Cheers
 
Tesla was able to increase deliveries in 2015 by 19k. Why do you think they will only be able to increase deliveries in 2016 by 15k?

Various reasons... Predictions are what they are. I didn't ask 30-40 people why they chose so high on the last two year's estimations... A few people estimated > 70,000 for 2015.
But primarily. 2014 had just about 1,500 DWD units sold. 2015 was FULL of the new P85D, 85D, 70D, 90D and other DWD replacements to the RWD segment. Now, we have DWD as the norm. Less trade-ups due to wanting the new DWD chassis now. Denmark will also be flat as will Norway. China was possibly a dumping ground for RWD leftover inventory. CPO volume is ramping with lease trade-ins during this year. Model X ramp is a bit unknown. Some will decide to wait for Model 3 one year later. It adds up. Tesla had a stellar year in 2015. But it was not all 100% full price custom orders only off the web. They will need to build even more inventory this year for speculation sales.
 
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