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Capacity loss of 10-15% after 4 years is not out of normal range. In fact, I would pretty much count on seeing nearly that much capacity loss over 4 years looking at the Roadster data:If there is significant degradation (>10-15%) over 4 years.
Elon said on the call that there hasn't been any Model S battery failures, but entire packs have been replaced for other issues in the pack (he said contactors or similar) It has been well known that Roadsters have had "sheets" replaced. I'm sure that entire packs have been replaced as it's probably faster/easier to replace the entire pack and then refurbish the old pack for use in another vehicle.I'm curious to know - has there every been a a failure of the battery on the MS or Roadster?
I think we might considering the bricking drama a few months ago as a "yes" for the Roadster.I'm curious to know - has there every been a a failure of the battery on the MS or Roadster?
Has there every been a "normal usage" battery failure on a Roadster (or an S) that wasn't replaced by Tesla for little to no cost?
I agree it would be clearly evident from the logs. But my read of the announcement yesterday is that this wouldnt disqualify coverage. Of course, the question is still what is considered normal vs. abnormal. But if abnormal degradation occurred due to range charging everyday, my understanding is it would still be covered.Agree. And won't Tesla know about this kind of deliberate abuse via the logs? That would be a clear basis for denial of coverage.
My understanding is that the 5 bricking cases involved leaving the car unattended (and perhaps sheltered) with no incoming wall power for extended periods. That's not normal usage. Neither is a vehicle collision that rips the battery into cells.what's the question?
My MS is @ 10K miles and range change now a days consistently shows around 235 or 236 miles.
My MS is @ 10K miles and range change now a days consistently shows around 235 or 236 miles.
I bet he meant standard charge not range charge.Just confirming, this is a range charge that was ~270 miles when new?
Thank you all for your comments on this thread
The new announcement makes me feel a bit more comfortable range charging once a month (CHI to WI, 120miles), as I have a 60 (software limited to 40).
I would never think of range charging daily!
Just confirming, this is a range charge that was ~270 miles when new?
Absolutely not. My car has 16K miles on it. It is 7 months old. It charged to 270 *ideal* miles or 235 *EPA* miles when new, and now, the same. The difference is what you display for miles of range. A Range charge is over 300 *ideal* miles or over 265 *EPA* miles. Mine has not dropped noticeably yet.
I have seen 245 once on 4.2 firmware.FYI I started using the scheduled charging so that my charging completes right before I leave in the morning. Not because of lower rates (they don't have those in my area, its a flat rate at all times and all seasons), but instead to "keep the charge level around 50%" as long as possible instead of charging full and leaving it sit full all night long. According to lots of research , that should really help extend the life of the battery. Anywho, when it completed this morning it was probably like 10 minutes before I left and I was showing 246 miles range. I didn't know the standard charge was that high. I have 4200 miles now. I always though max standard was 242 or 243.
you are the guy who can range charge everyday and still be <80% SOC... the best situation...