Range Reduced on Dual Motor Configs?

[breser]

MarcG over in the P85D tracking thread took delivery of a P85D on 19" wheels. It shows 242 miles of range, as I predicted from my research into the regulations (not sure if I posted that prediction in this thread but I did over at TM forums when asked).

 

[RAW84]

Is there a P85 and/or P85+ window sticker available for comparisons?

Edit: from what I can tell, the 85 kWh was tested with no separate test for P85
Compare Side-by-Side

The 85 gets:
89 MPGe combined
88 MPGe city
90 MPGe highway.

So the P85D is worse in the city, but better in the more important highway driving. I know this was pointed out in here before, but I just wanted to reiterate.

 

[TexasEV]

The EPA sticker is misleading for charging time. It says "Charge time: 12 hours (240V)". This assumes a 30A circuit as Leaf or Volt uses. If charging time is going to be included at all on the EPA sticker, and I don't know why it should be, at least it should be specific to the charger in the car which is 40A. Not that anyone charges from 0 routinely, but if they did at 40A it would take 8.3 hours, not 12 hours.

 

[Cottonwood]

The EPA sticker is misleading for charging time. It says "Charge time: 12 hours (240V)". This assumes a 30A circuit as Leaf or Volt uses. If charging time is going to be included at all on the EPA sticker, and I don't know why it should be, at least it should be specific to the charger in the car which is 40A. Not that anyone charges from 0 routinely, but if they did at 40A it would take 8.3 hours, not 12 hours.

On top of that, the buyer of this car very intelligently got the twin charger option, and can charge at 80 Amps.

 

[breser]

Edit: from what I can tell, the 85 kWh was tested with no separate test for P85

As I mentioned before the Model S 85, P85 and P85+ are all the same car as far as the vehicle configuration is defined by the regulations. The P85D since it has a different motor configuration than any other Model S is a separate vehicle as far as the regulations are concerned. Since the P and P+ are just options, Tesla only needs to include options that more than 33% of a vehicle configuration will be delivered with.

The EPA sticker is misleading for charging time. It says "Charge time: 12 hours (240V)". This assumes a 30A circuit as Leaf or Volt uses. If charging time is going to be included at all on the EPA sticker, and I don't know why it should be, at least it should be specific to the charger in the car which is 40A. Not that anyone charges from 0 routinely, but if they did at 40A it would take 8.3 hours, not 12 hours.

Yeah the charge time has always been peculiar.

One thing I'd like to point out is that today the order form for the P85D updated and the 242 number has disappeared. Only the 250 number remains. Given that cars are being delivered with the 242 sticker, this certainly is interesting.

 

[RiverBrick]

The EPA sticker is misleading for charging time.

This also makes it misleading for MPGe, since 30A charging is less efficient and leads to more kWh consumed, wall to wheels, than readily available faster charging alternatives.

 

[randompersonx]

One thing I'd like to point out is that today the order form for the P85D updated and the 242 number has disappeared. Only the 250 number remains. Given that cars are being delivered with the 242 sticker, this certainly is interesting.

It does say underneath:
*Range decreases 3% when equipped with 21-inch wheels.

 

[breser]

It does say underneath:
*Range decreases 3% when equipped with 21-inch wheels.

Yeah but just removing the 242 number as a listed number when that's what's on the window sticker seems, weird to me.

 

[stopcrazypp]

MarcG over in the P85D tracking thread took delivery of a P85D on 19" wheels. It shows 242 miles of range, as I predicted from my research into the regulations (not sure if I posted that prediction in this thread but I did over at TM forums when asked).

The "When fully charged, vehicle can travel about..." is also misleading. It said that also for the 2013 Leaf with 75 miles on the sticker (which is not the range when "fully charged"; range fully charged is actually 84 miles). So the sticker still doesn't tell us whether any range averaging happened for the modes.
http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/2013-Nissan-LEAF-sticker.jpg

 

[shadowinstallz]

interesting to see what the 85d will be....

 

[DJ Frustration]

By the way, can a brotha get some reputation points for starting this thread way back in November before any speculation of a reduced EPA rating for the P85D?

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Range Reduced on Dual Motor Configs?

 

[breser]

Green Car Reports published an article on the EPA testing now. It includes quotes from the EPA. If there was still any doubt (after the range blog) that EPA numbers for the 85D/P85D are at 100% SOC that should be settled by this article and in particular the following quote.

According to the EPA, “Tesla indicated to us that they recommended 100 percent charge.”

Tesla P85D Highlights Why EPA Range Ratings Are Inconsistent Confusing For Electric Cars