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1) Then you might have a problem!!! You might have the first reported AWD+. ALL P3 (+ and regular) have only Chill and Sport (NO Standard) for power setting.
2) Well, if you heard it from someone on the internet (Reddit) with no link, then it clearly must be true. I guess the hundreds of posts to the contrary from knowledgeable people must be wrong!

Many cars have been reported updated from AWD to Performance via software. So it clearly can be done and is being done. The only open question is whether ALL AWD cars can be upgraded, or whether some (with less than P spec Drive Units) cannot. I suspect we may never know the answer to that!

You're quite right... I was thrown off by the 3 options in the post I quoted. The Model 3 Performance has only Chill and Sport, there is no 'standard' exactly as you say. The steering can be set to Comfort, Standard or Sport (3 options).

My car had the Dual Motor underlined with red from the start, plus it's a Performance + (so with the performance upgrade package) and can't really be mistaken for an AWD. Also my Maroney sticker said Performance from the start so I'm pretty confident it's what it says it is! :)

Your other two points are fair too - I was being flippant about the Reddit guy... but there are a lot of AWD folks trying to convince themselves they have the same hardware as Performance folks, simply because they like the idea of it. I'm sure the same is true the other way around.
 
there was a poster on Reddit who said that the car could not simply be updated via software to Performance from AWD (when he got the wrong designation) because it didn't have the correct software. Just picked up Model 3 Performance, but Maroney sticker shows that it is a regular AWD • r/teslamotors Top reply.

But he never got back and said whether the car was replaced or if they just enabled via software...

My money would be on 3D's can be converted to P3D-'s via software enablement. I would further venture that it is already laying dormant on all 3D's and just needs enabled by someone with the keys to the castle...

Edit: And no, I do not think this because I want to think my 3D has the same underlying capabilities as the performance... It just makes more sense given all of the information out there at this point...
 
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You're quite right... I was thrown off by the 3 options in the post I quoted. The Model 3 Performance has only Chill and Sport, there is no 'standard' exactly as you say. The steering can be set to Comfort, Standard or Sport (3 options).

My car had the Dual Motor underlined with red from the start, plus it's a Performance + (so with the performance upgrade package) and can't really be mistaken for an AWD. Also my Maroney sticker said Performance from the start so I'm pretty confident it's what it says it is! :)

Your other two points are fair too - I was being flippant about the Reddit guy... but there are a lot of AWD folks trying to convince themselves they have the same hardware as Performance folks, simply because they like the idea of it. I'm sure the same is true the other way around.
Yep, My P3 had the underline from the start as well... but no Monroney sticker, and I'm sort of glad because now I'll never know/worry about whether it was flashed in Fremont or the delivery center. :);):rolleyes:
 
But he never got back and said whether the car was replaced or if they just enabled via software...

My money would be on 3D's can be converted to P3D-'s via software enablement. I would further venture that it is already laying dormant on all 3D's and just needs enabled by someone with the keys to the castle...

Edit: And no, I do not think this because I want to think my 3D has the same underlying capabilities as the performance... It just makes more sense given all of the information out there at this point...

I'm sure someday we'll find out. I suspect that in theory an AWD can be software flashed to behave like a performance version, but like overclocking a CPU you might not have the same headroom that you would have with appropriately selected (binned and matched) parts. Unless you think Elon was bullshitting about that when he tweeted it, then I think this makes the most sense given all the information out there. :)
 
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I suspect that in theory an AWD can be software flashed to behave like a performance version, but like overclocking a CPU you might not have the same headroom that you would have with appropriately selected (binned and matched) parts. Unless you think Elon was bullshitting about that when he tweeted it, then I think this makes the most sense given all the information out there. :)

I assume they were binning parts initially when Elon tweeted that, but I don't know if that is still going on... without a unique VIN for P's or different drive unit part number, I just am not seeing it. It's possible, and I am sure we will eventually find out, hopefully sooner rather than later...
 
We want to preface this by saying we are really behind this company and the ethos it is cultivating however our experience thus far has been nothing but frustrating and disappointing. I am hopeful these ordering and delivery woes will be ironed out by the end of next year.

We ordered a midnight grey Dual Motor AWD Performance, without the $5,000 upgrade package and had an appointment to take delivery this weekend (10/13) at the Rocklin, CA center. First of all the buildup to the delivery process was very frustrating as I had no less than 6 or 7 delivery coordinators either emailing or texting me in the weeks leading up to it to coordinate a date - unfortunately none of them seemed to be communicating with each other and knew nothing of my conversations the other coordinators. This could have been ignored since we had a set appointment except for the fact that despite my attempts at calling, texting and emailing every single coordinator that reached out to me, no one would return my messages and we didn't have a finalized purchase agreement with our financing information (two days prior to our delivery appointment). I called the Tesla main line and the operator said I'll leave a message with the delivery coordinator working on your account and then named someone who was definitely not one of the 6 or 7 people I had already spoken with. Long story short, in desperation, I contacted our original owner advisor in the showroom who took us on a test drive and he helped get the ball rolling at the 11th hour.

We showed up to the Rocklin center at our scheduled appointment time, completed our paperwork and were escorted our to our car. We matched the Vin to our purchase agreement and proceeded to go over our delivery checklist. We found a few minor clearcoat flaws here and there, oily finger print smudges on the light colored fabric above the drivers side, some left over sticky residue from stickers, trunk light burned out and one major flaw, which was that the roof and rear glass was misaligned. As we were going over the car we wondered how we would actually know that the car was the performance model since the cars aren't badged. Our phone app only said Dual Motor All Wheel Drive as did the display on the dash screen. We asked the delivery coordinator and he wasn't quite sure but said he'd look into it. It was then we noticed that the Monroney Sticker didn't match our order. It noted a Dual Motor All Wheel Drive (non-performance) with the Auto-Pilot option, something we didn't purchase. The pricing on the sticker also didn't match our order, but the VIN was the one assigned to us. We thought surely, this was a mix up and they brought us to the wrong car.

The delivery coordinator returned and confirmed we were right, this car wasn't the one we ordered and explained there had been some glitches with the VIN matching service. He was scrambling to see if there was an unmatched car on the lot that they could assign to us so we could leave with a car that day. He recommended we go eat some lunch and come back in a little while while they looked into it. When we returned from lunch the delivery coordinator said he had great news for us. The car we were given was in fact our car, the performance model, but that it's firmware hadn't been updated. He stated that they updated a few things in the system and we were ready to go. We were absolutely not convinced of this and it seemed pretty shady that the car was originally listed as a non-performance with other add on options and now was all of the sudden the performance model we ordered. My husband noted that the performance vehicles front motor and some hardware components were different than the non-performance vehicles and that performance rear motors have a higher selection standard per Elon's tweets. We explained that we didn't feel comfortable taking this car, as there's no real way to look at the engines and in fact no way at all to confirm that we were getting the $10,000 performance upgrade. The delivery coordinator said, you'll know when you drive it. At this point we felt like they were just trying to get this car off the lot. Spending this much money on a car, we want to feel 100% about it and this experience was botched from the get go. We rejected the delivery and asked to be assigned another VIN. They said we'd have to be put back in the queue but we requested they find us another car asap and try to have it delivered to our home since we wasted 8 hours of a Saturday with this. We'll see how this is resolved.

Anyone else with a similar experience?


Wow! My experience was similar - frustrating and disappointing - and I rejected taking the car too from the factory location.
(Your Model 3 - RN107078888)

I am also really behind this company. The writeup on this blog is all about a delightful experience, Elon personally delivering cars and it is a great happy family. This builds up your expectations and you end up looking for a great experience but thus far has been nothing but frustrating and disappointing. I am hopeful these ordering and delivery woes will be ironed out some day,....

We ordered a midnight grey Dual Motor AWD, without the $5,000 AUto-drive feature and had an appointment to take delivery this weekend (10/14) at the Fremont, CA factory. They sent me the following address and suggest we park next to the store - where I had been before on a factory visit.

Fremont
45500 Fremont Blvd
Fremont, CA 94538

Our showroom is located at the Tesla Factory. Parking is most convenient in front of our store lobby.

After lunch I went there 15 mins early and waited in line. When my turn came up, I was told the location of the pickup was somewhere else :
4763 Fremont Blvd., Fremont CA - a few miles - on the other side of the highway from the Factory,

On going there we had a line too, and after registration yesterday (Sunday at 1:15 pm scheduled time) we were told to go and have lunch, since they were behind by 90 minutes.

I recollect tellin my wife how the delivery process had been very frustrating as I had no less than 6 or 7 delivery coordinators either texting me in the weeks leading up to it to coordinate a date - unfortunately none of them seemed to be communicating with each other and knew nothing of my conversations the other coordinators. My attempts at calling, texting and emailing every single coordinator that reached out to me, no one would return my messages. In most cases they told me that they had been reassigned and they would get the "Delivery Coordinator" to call - no one did.

Finally on Thursday I got a text from Gail, to select one of 3 slots on Sunday, the VIN no was not available for Insurance (and she suggest I can get insurance at their site!). I did get the VIN no the next day and got the can added to my current auto insurance. I still had some questions and since we didn't have a finalized purchase agreement with our financing information (two days prior to our delivery appointment). I had questions about the delivery charges, since I was picking it up at the Factory. Mercedes and BMW, do not have you to pay the charges if you pick up the car at their factory - and drive it out. So I was surprised at the charges.

I then got a text from an Ivan (4130 370-2680, stating that he would be able to answer my questions " Hello _____, This is Ivan with Tesla. I understand you have some questions about your account?"
I called his Text Message number a few times but could not get him. It said that I couldn't leave a voice message at his his (free) Google Voice phone number. I tried twice, but the result was the same. I then sent put a text requesting some time to talk about the purchase agreement. "I called a couple of times to discuss and I got your Google Voicemail."
At this time I did not know that he was a delivery coordinator since Tesla messages happen to come from anonymous points (in these days of robo-calling/messages - from folks sending out casual messages) without identifying themselves. His response was:
"I don't take calls at this number. It is strictly for text." (in other words calling him was NOT an option).
My frustration got the better of me. The agreement was not finalized by Friday evening and I am to make arrangements to pick up the car on Sunday! I responded:
"Is there ANYBODY I can talk to? This process seems to be worse than a distress sale!"

To make a long story short - I responded to him that i was unable to continue communicating with messages (I am not good at one finger typing on the phone), and I wanted to speak to his manager. He immediately called me. He was in Las Vegas, from a Las Vegas number ID, and further proceed to defend himself (as all Tesla employees seem to do as I found out), and kept talking over me. He was as aggressive as the Time-Share, or Vegas Hotel Vacation package callers, and insisted he could solve my problems. He attitude was clearly abusive, not to say the Tesla system was not. I requested him to please have his manager call me - since I was unable to communicate with him. I still had some questions I needed to be cleared before I could accept the delivery, or make the appointment. This took away my entire Friday afternoon, it was 6:00 pm and I finally headed home.

In desperation, I decided to pay it all of with my credit lines - and ran to different locations on Saturday to get the Cashier's cheques for the car amount.


We waited for over an hour and a half - and had just decided to leave, when we got a message to meet Christian in the front lobby. He said he was responsible for the delivery. Very pleasant person who confidently stated he could resolve the delivery charges question, and we would be able to work it out. He however wanted to go through the delivery process before getting this issue resolved. We believed him.

After going through the details of the car, we somehow found out from the SW that it was a dual motor - there were no signs otherwise. He could not tell me where the other motor could have been located - "it must be somewhere there". I thought Hardware cannot be changed, and software could be upgraded - so stamping "Dual Motor" on a unique dual motor option should not be a problem. But this was Tesla.

We came back to the lobby, gave the delivery coordinator our insurance, and offered to give him cashier's checks, so he could address the Destination Fee$1,125.00 fee issue as promised. He gave us the key cards and asked my wife to keep hers safely in the purse and the same to me - to give us a feeling of ownership. He went away for about 20+ minutes again, and then showed up. He said he could not do anything about the charges. At this point we felt like they were just trying to get this car off the lot. Spending this much money on a car, we want to feel 100% about it and this experience was botched from the get go. I showed him the Factory building that we could see from the window - across the highway. I told him that it as a big price to pay to bring the car over. Moving a car from Boston to San Jose had cost my daughter around $1500 last year. He said he could not change anything.

At this time I was feeling totally conned by Christian, (who took us through the delivery process - hoping we would consent later), and defrauded by Tesla for not answering our questions in advance and charging us $1125 for a factory delivery.

We wasted 6 hours of a Sunday, and felt humiliated at the end of the day. We'll see how this is resolved.
 
Coconut Grove, sorry you were misinformed or didn't read through everything from Tesla. The Delivery fee applies to all cars. Sorry but that's the way it is and has been since Day 1. There is prep that is done and it's just what it is. Everyone pays the same delivery fee whether you live near the factory or are taking delivery across the country. This has been discussed before on the forum. Believe you should have read that somewhere too in something from Tesla (as I recall I did). What delivery address showed up on your Account at the bottom? As far as I know the Tesla Delivery Hub on Fremont Boulevard is the only place at least in months that they have been delivering cars from. My friend picked up a RWD a few months back and his delivery was there and ours at end end of September was there too.

For newbies out there waiting for delivery in the SFBay area, here's what the bottom of our account looked like. We had to scroll down to see it.

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Here's the posted info on Telsa's site under FAQs about delivery of your car.

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So apart from the above did you take delivery of your car and are you driving it?
 
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We came back to the lobby, gave the delivery coordinator our insurance, and offered to give him cashier's checks, so he could address the Destination Fee$1,125.00 fee issue as promised. He gave us the key cards and asked my wife to keep hers safely in the purse and the same to me - to give us a feeling of ownership. He went away for about 20+ minutes again, and then showed up. He said he could not do anything about the charges. At this point we felt like they were just trying to get this car off the lot. Spending this much money on a car, we want to feel 100% about it and this experience was botched from the get go. I showed him the Factory building that we could see from the window - across the highway. I told him that it as a big price to pay to bring the car over. Moving a car from Boston to San Jose had cost my daughter around $1500 last year. He said he could not change anything.

At this time I was feeling totally conned by Christian, (who took us through the delivery process - hoping we would consent later), and defrauded by Tesla for not answering our questions in advance and charging us $1125 for a factory delivery.

From my understanding, there are two issues that are really frustrating you.

1.) You are questioning if you actually got a Dual Motor vehicle or not?

VIN 5YJ3E1EB9JF055xxx - if the 8th digit is a B, by VIN it's a dual motor.

You would have to jack up the vehicle which I think is not reasonable to check for that second motor.

2.) The delivery fee is the same price for EVERYONE. Does not matter if it travels five feet from the tent of its birth, goes down the coast or goes cross country. You are asking for special treatment that NO ONE ELSE has gotten.

Problems need to broken down into two categories:

1 - Actual problems.
  • Tesla's ordering and delivering process is like herding a bunch of cats.
2 - Perceived problems.
  • Tesla cheating you on the motor configuration.
  • Tesla overcharging you on delivery.
  • Tesla defrauding you.
  • Tesla trying to force a vehicle on you.
  • Tesla delivery GRUNT can do ANYTHING about financial concessions to you.

--

As an aside, your vehicle color is actually Midnight Silver Metallic or abbreviated as MSM. I am not intending to be harsh, I'm telling you the reality of the situation.

If you don't take the car, someone else will and you will have missed out on driving the future for manufactured reasons.
 
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Coconut Grove, Thought I'd add a few other ways you can tell if you are presented with a dual motor vehicle apart from touching the Tesla "T" on the touchscreen:

1) the charging screen will show a motor in the front;
2) the Monroney sticker will have it listed under As Configured;
3) the driver door frame plate will show GVWR (stand for Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) and the following weights for a long range battery, dual motor -- 2265 kg / 4993 lbs. -- this from the Model 3 Manual under dimensions and weights.

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While I think the forum has a lot of useful info for buyers/owners I think a kind of hysteria of sorts has been created about certain things and is overly concerning some people about what Tesla is selling them and stressing them out making this a worse experience. Tesla may not be as prepared as they'd like to be to handle the delivery process on the volume of cars they are producing now and have made some mistakes along those ends, but I seriously don't think they are out to cheat or defraud people or make you take a vehicle that you have an issue with upon inspection. Upon rereading your post, it sounds like you did pass on the car this past weekend despite being told it was a dual motor. If everything was okay with the car, have to say it sounds like you did so for no valid reason and I feel bad for you for that.
 
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Maybe some people get early-onset buyers remorse and find a reason to reject delivery. o_O
Or... most consumers are used to a dealer salesman who spends hours schmoozing them and would put the car on a lift to point out 2nd DU... and Tesla delivery people are used to zealots who just want the car and will suffer anything to get it. Keep in mind, the tried and true dealer tactic is keep buyers in the store for a looong time and wear them down on price.

Regardless... through 3 deliveries of Tesla cars, I have only ever had one glitch, and have always had very helpful and responsive people. On forums, any issue is magnified.

Prospective buyers who don’t know Tesla well should visit this forum so they know basics, but shouldn’t because it will plant insidious doubts.
 
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We want to preface this by saying we are really behind this company and the ethos it is cultivating however our experience thus far has been nothing but frustrating and disappointing. I am hopeful these ordering and delivery woes will be ironed out by the end of next year.

We ordered a midnight grey Dual Motor AWD Performance, without the $5,000 upgrade package and had an appointment to take delivery this weekend (10/13) at the Rocklin, CA center. First of all the buildup to the delivery process was very frustrating as I had no less than 6 or 7 delivery coordinators either emailing or texting me in the weeks leading up to it to coordinate a date - unfortunately none of them seemed to be communicating with each other and knew nothing of my conversations the other coordinators. This could have been ignored since we had a set appointment except for the fact that despite my attempts at calling, texting and emailing every single coordinator that reached out to me, no one would return my messages and we didn't have a finalized purchase agreement with our financing information (two days prior to our delivery appointment). I called the Tesla main line and the operator said I'll leave a message with the delivery coordinator working on your account and then named someone who was definitely not one of the 6 or 7 people I had already spoken with. Long story short, in desperation, I contacted our original owner advisor in the showroom who took us on a test drive and he helped get the ball rolling at the 11th hour.

We showed up to the Rocklin center at our scheduled appointment time, completed our paperwork and were escorted our to our car. We matched the Vin to our purchase agreement and proceeded to go over our delivery checklist. We found a few minor clearcoat flaws here and there, oily finger print smudges on the light colored fabric above the drivers side, some left over sticky residue from stickers, trunk light burned out and one major flaw, which was that the roof and rear glass was misaligned. As we were going over the car we wondered how we would actually know that the car was the performance model since the cars aren't badged. Our phone app only said Dual Motor All Wheel Drive as did the display on the dash screen. We asked the delivery coordinator and he wasn't quite sure but said he'd look into it. It was then we noticed that the Monroney Sticker didn't match our order. It noted a Dual Motor All Wheel Drive (non-performance) with the Auto-Pilot option, something we didn't purchase. The pricing on the sticker also didn't match our order, but the VIN was the one assigned to us. We thought surely, this was a mix up and they brought us to the wrong car.

The delivery coordinator returned and confirmed we were right, this car wasn't the one we ordered and explained there had been some glitches with the VIN matching service. He was scrambling to see if there was an unmatched car on the lot that they could assign to us so we could leave with a car that day. He recommended we go eat some lunch and come back in a little while while they looked into it. When we returned from lunch the delivery coordinator said he had great news for us. The car we were given was in fact our car, the performance model, but that it's firmware hadn't been updated. He stated that they updated a few things in the system and we were ready to go. We were absolutely not convinced of this and it seemed pretty shady that the car was originally listed as a non-performance with other add on options and now was all of the sudden the performance model we ordered. My husband noted that the performance vehicles front motor and some hardware components were different than the non-performance vehicles and that performance rear motors have a higher selection standard per Elon's tweets. We explained that we didn't feel comfortable taking this car, as there's no real way to look at the engines and in fact no way at all to confirm that we were getting the $10,000 performance upgrade. The delivery coordinator said, you'll know when you drive it. At this point we felt like they were just trying to get this car off the lot. Spending this much money on a car, we want to feel 100% about it and this experience was botched from the get go. We rejected the delivery and asked to be assigned another VIN. They said we'd have to be put back in the queue but we requested they find us another car asap and try to have it delivered to our home since we wasted 8 hours of a Saturday with this. We'll see how this is resolved.

Anyone else with a similar experience?
How tesla treated my family
On 5/15/19 I ordered a black LRAWD model 3 with the help of sales associate Caleb Suwak. My wife was due on 6/4/19 and Caleb coordinated home delivery, and pickup of my 2019 Chevy Bolt for trade in. On 5/23/19, inside delivery specialist Seth Macdonald contacted me to coordinate delivery. I was assured that Tesla could accommodate around my wife’s delivery. I then received an email stating that if my car was not picked up or delivered in seven days I would lose it. Mr. Macdonald then stated he could coordinate delivery of another factory fresh vehicle after my wife’s delivery. He stated that this vehicle had to be procured from Arizona. The delivery process continued in a very chaotic fashion, until I received a phone call from LNR delivery, Associate Jose. He stated that my vehicle would be delivered the next day. I was told that I would receive 48 hours notice. With no choice, I canceled my patient clinic and proceeded to take delivery the next morning. Jose arrived on 6/28/19. Immediately, I noticed that both front and rear driver doors were grossly misaligned. Additionally, both side under carriage rails including jack holes, and front undercarriage were severely damaged. I immediately contacted Mr. Suwak, and Macdonald. They confidently felt these issues would be addressed by Tesla via fixing it, or new vehicle. Jose from LNR was in a hurry to leave, but I had him communicate with Mr. Suwak over the phone. The issues were documented. I then signed off, and continued with my personal inspection. At that point, I noticed the entirety of the vehicle had diffuse paint damage deep throughout the clear coat. Further inspection showed that the rear trunk lid, and hinges were lacking paint. Additionally, my dual headlights were not completely seated, and the left was chipped. The entirety of the exterior was filthy and coded with a wax. Multiple hand washes left residual wax and glaring paint damage. Their vehicle. As if they had been waxed and left in the desert sun. I continued to the interior which was completely dirty with no mats, And diffuse wax stains throughout the car. I expressed my concern to Mr. Macdonald and emailed all photos. He stated that coordination was in place to rectify the unacceptable situation. This did not occur and in fact Mr. McDonald has ceased to communicate with me via phone or email. At that point, I took the vehicle to a Syracuse NY detail specialist. I was looking to see how much and if paint correction is possible. This was in preparation of a possible ceramic coat and expel application. Johnny of detail Johnny , stated in good faith he would not work on my car, seeing as the vehicle required thousands of dollars in paint correction, minimum three stage. He felt the state of this vehicle was unacceptable and that he would vouch for me need be.
Understanding of the seven day return policy I was in much dismay and reached out to Mr. Suwak. He then communicated with Mount Kisco tesla, Who in fact inspected the car before delivering it to my house. I then received a phone call from Justin Maruri on 7/2/19. I briefly explained the situation, I emailed him a detailed synopsis of what had occurred and detailed photos. Upon hearing my story he felt I should be communicating with the manager. I then received a phone call from the Mount Kisco tesla manager a female named Kory. She stated that I had two options; one fix the laundry list of defects, for which she had no timeline, or refund the vehicle and get a new one. I proceeded with the new vehicle option. She acknowledged the unprofessional experience, unacceptable car, and apologized. She assured me that the situation could be rectified, and felt confident that Tesla would offset/compensate any losses in this horrific experience. Within the same day , also my last communication with Kory, she stated that Tesla could comp me a long range AWD white multicoat vehicle, which would essentially offset the loss of my tax credit secondary to refund. Kory stated she would email me options and call me before the end of the day. I had not heard from her and reached out via phone. At Mt. Kisco sales associate told me that Kory is no longer with Tesla! Once again my family was completely abandoned in this situation. I poignantly explained the situation and demanded a phone call from the next in line manager. I explained the next day was a holiday Leaving me with 24 hours to coordinate and rectify the situation. Approximately 15 minutes later I received a phone call from Nicholas Cruz who stated he would be acting in place for Kory. He provided me his personal mobile phone and said he would try and do his best to fix this mess. Mr. Cruz stated he personally spoke with Tesla headquarters in California, , Stating they essentially wouldn’t budge. The best they could do is provide me a full refund and then allow me to order a new vehicle. I explained that I am now down a car Tesla had taken my 2019 Chevy bolt on trade in. He stated Tesla would not provide me a interim vehicle, but rather a one-way rental car from Syracuse New York to Mount Kisco. My wife and I proceeded to drive 8.5 hours round trip to return the unacceptable vehicle to Mount Kisco New York, and return to Syracuse New York via provided rental car. Upon meeting Mr. Cruz he was pleasant and frustrated for us. He proceeded to return the vehicle and then order our new vehicle which was the same model and reported to be fresh from the factory. Mr. Cruz, stated he would contact us once the vehicle had arrived, and was adequately inspected. He then contacted me via FaceTime and stated the vehicle looked up to par, but needed his detail team to clean it and make sure that the paint was adequate. Today, upon coordinating my second loan I calculated an additional $2,000 loss secondary to paying tax on $51,100 as opposed to half of that when I traded in my 2019 Chevy Bolt. Tesla currently has my funds and is not willing to put them against this 2nd loan. I reminded Mr. Cruz that I would be losing half of my original tax credit. In addition to loss of my satisfactory Vehicle(2019 Bolt), I was provided a unacceptable vehicle in a unsatisfactory manner with unsatisfactory support. To Mr. Cruz’s credit has stated multiple attempts in calling California, but said they are unwilling to budge. I’ve been a strong supporter of tesla and it’s mission, but Tesla has been disrespectful, and shameful in supporting my family.
Sincerely,
Ivan Drazek
Syracuse, NY

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Ivan, Sorry for the issues. I think your post is too long for most to read it all and no offense intended but much of the story is not relevant.
If I understand correctly, you accepted delivery (though noting issues to be repaired).
Had you not accepted delivery they would not have taken your Bolt so is hard for me to blame Telsa for that side of things when you returned your car for a new one instead of repair that they no longer had your Bolt. I feel that is more on you then them, of course had the car been up to par this would not be an issue to begin with.

As far as the financial paperwork on the 2nd car not showing the dollar figure for your Bolt in trade, that I fully agree should be rectified and an accountant for Telsa should be able to get that adjusted. I am assuming in your state you pay sales tax on a new car but when trading in a car the trade in value portion is not taxable which is why this is an issue?
Makes no sense to me why Telsa could not change the paperwork to reflect the amount of trade-in vs. cash/loan.
 
How tesla treated my family
On 5/15/19 I ordered a black LRAWD model 3 with the help of sales associate Caleb Suwak. My wife was due on 6/4/19 and Caleb coordinated home delivery, and pickup of my 2019 Chevy Bolt for trade in. On 5/23/19, inside delivery specialist Seth Macdonald contacted me to coordinate delivery. I was assured that Tesla could accommodate around my wife’s delivery. I then received an email stating that if my car was not picked up or delivered in seven days I would lose it. Mr. Macdonald then stated he could coordinate delivery of another factory fresh vehicle after my wife’s delivery. He stated that this vehicle had to be procured from Arizona. The delivery process continued in a very chaotic fashion, until I received a phone call from LNR delivery, Associate Jose. He stated that my vehicle would be delivered the next day. I was told that I would receive 48 hours notice. With no choice, I canceled my patient clinic and proceeded to take delivery the next morning. Jose arrived on 6/28/19. Immediately, I noticed that both front and rear driver doors were grossly misaligned. Additionally, both side under carriage rails including jack holes, and front undercarriage were severely damaged. I immediately contacted Mr. Suwak, and Macdonald. They confidently felt these issues would be addressed by Tesla via fixing it, or new vehicle. Jose from LNR was in a hurry to leave, but I had him communicate with Mr. Suwak over the phone. The issues were documented. I then signed off, and continued with my personal inspection. At that point, I noticed the entirety of the vehicle had diffuse paint damage deep throughout the clear coat. Further inspection showed that the rear trunk lid, and hinges were lacking paint. Additionally, my dual headlights were not completely seated, and the left was chipped. The entirety of the exterior was filthy and coded with a wax. Multiple hand washes left residual wax and glaring paint damage. Their vehicle. As if they had been waxed and left in the desert sun. I continued to the interior which was completely dirty with no mats, And diffuse wax stains throughout the car. I expressed my concern to Mr. Macdonald and emailed all photos. He stated that coordination was in place to rectify the unacceptable situation. This did not occur and in fact Mr. McDonald has ceased to communicate with me via phone or email. At that point, I took the vehicle to a Syracuse NY detail specialist. I was looking to see how much and if paint correction is possible. This was in preparation of a possible ceramic coat and expel application. Johnny of detail Johnny , stated in good faith he would not work on my car, seeing as the vehicle required thousands of dollars in paint correction, minimum three stage. He felt the state of this vehicle was unacceptable and that he would vouch for me need be.
Understanding of the seven day return policy I was in much dismay and reached out to Mr. Suwak. He then communicated with Mount Kisco tesla, Who in fact inspected the car before delivering it to my house. I then received a phone call from Justin Maruri on 7/2/19. I briefly explained the situation, I emailed him a detailed synopsis of what had occurred and detailed photos. Upon hearing my story he felt I should be communicating with the manager. I then received a phone call from the Mount Kisco tesla manager a female named Kory. She stated that I had two options; one fix the laundry list of defects, for which she had no timeline, or refund the vehicle and get a new one. I proceeded with the new vehicle option. She acknowledged the unprofessional experience, unacceptable car, and apologized. She assured me that the situation could be rectified, and felt confident that Tesla would offset/compensate any losses in this horrific experience. Within the same day , also my last communication with Kory, she stated that Tesla could comp me a long range AWD white multicoat vehicle, which would essentially offset the loss of my tax credit secondary to refund. Kory stated she would email me options and call me before the end of the day. I had not heard from her and reached out via phone. At Mt. Kisco sales associate told me that Kory is no longer with Tesla! Once again my family was completely abandoned in this situation. I poignantly explained the situation and demanded a phone call from the next in line manager. I explained the next day was a holiday Leaving me with 24 hours to coordinate and rectify the situation. Approximately 15 minutes later I received a phone call from Nicholas Cruz who stated he would be acting in place for Kory. He provided me his personal mobile phone and said he would try and do his best to fix this mess. Mr. Cruz stated he personally spoke with Tesla headquarters in California, , Stating they essentially wouldn’t budge. The best they could do is provide me a full refund and then allow me to order a new vehicle. I explained that I am now down a car Tesla had taken my 2019 Chevy bolt on trade in. He stated Tesla would not provide me a interim vehicle, but rather a one-way rental car from Syracuse New York to Mount Kisco. My wife and I proceeded to drive 8.5 hours round trip to return the unacceptable vehicle to Mount Kisco New York, and return to Syracuse New York via provided rental car. Upon meeting Mr. Cruz he was pleasant and frustrated for us. He proceeded to return the vehicle and then order our new vehicle which was the same model and reported to be fresh from the factory. Mr. Cruz, stated he would contact us once the vehicle had arrived, and was adequately inspected. He then contacted me via FaceTime and stated the vehicle looked up to par, but needed his detail team to clean it and make sure that the paint was adequate. Today, upon coordinating my second loan I calculated an additional $2,000 loss secondary to paying tax on $51,100 as opposed to half of that when I traded in my 2019 Chevy Bolt. Tesla currently has my funds and is not willing to put them against this 2nd loan. I reminded Mr. Cruz that I would be losing half of my original tax credit. In addition to loss of my satisfactory Vehicle(2019 Bolt), I was provided a unacceptable vehicle in a unsatisfactory manner with unsatisfactory support. To Mr. Cruz’s credit has stated multiple attempts in calling California, but said they are unwilling to budge. I’ve been a strong supporter of tesla and it’s mission, but Tesla has been disrespectful, and shameful in supporting my family.
Sincerely,
Ivan Drazek
Syracuse, NY

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In a weird way, that made me feel a little better about my own Tesla woes. The fit and finish can be down right terrible with these cars. I am envious of Kia and similar manufacturer's finishes, which is sad. They are the best electric cars otherwise at the moment.