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EcoHeliGuy
Member
They all look like common hardware for the most part. Those cap screws you mentioned, look closely and you will see it's a countersunk head and bushing, the bushings looks seized and the screw is possibly custom.
Most automakers use torque seal paint (yellow on a few bolt heads) for suspension parts. At least on newer Honda, Subaru and Mini's. Not sure if they are using them for safety reasons or alignment reasons
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While the center console could probably be better designed for less mass and easier assembly, another factor in the size of the structure of what you have in your 2012 Model S is that the typical car has a large driveshaft or exhaust pipe "bump/tunnel" which raises the mounting points of the console, thus the typical console can be far less stout.
With the extra height/free space to cover in a Model S (from the flat floor to elbow height), far more structure is needed to make it rigid. The engineer has to assume that an obese person will either sit on, lean against, or slide over, the center console, and the center console must not break or deform when that occurs.
Having said that, I'd suspect that if someone were to disassemble a more recent vintage MS, the entire center console is probably a much different design given that current MS's weigh hundreds of pounds less than the early MS's. As Elon has stated, they make "about 20 hardware changes a week" to our cars, "many of which will likely not be noticed."
And that is how hundreds of pounds are removed over the years, leading to bigger "a" in the F=ma equation, and larger
among MS owners with each press of the "go" pedal.
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dhanson865
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure why he has such wrath. So far you haven't started to rebuild, it's all tear down at this point. There is no wrong tear down if you do a proper rebuild.
You seem to know that you should avoid getting electrocuted and you seem to have no illusions about this being an easy project. Honesty and open documentation of a project shouldn't be punished.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Well, though I don't agree with his hysteria, there is a "wrong" tear down if a bank of cells blows up in someone's face, or if some damaged cells decide to melt down and cause a fire. No one wants to see that, outside of some extreme members of the anti EV anti Tesla crowd.
Gizmotoy
Active Member
I don't know why, but the 1V cracked me up.
Glad things turned out better than some feared(/hoped).
EcoHeliGuy
Member
New to the thread so haven't started at the start. But I'm surprised Tesla didn't want to purchase this car. Possible they have purchased a flooded car before to do some R&D on. Or maybe a few engineers are subscribed to this thread already for free.
I am positive that was part of the design, part of the safety engineering. Nice to see it worked.
cman8
Member
given that current MS's weigh hundreds of pounds less than the early MS's. As Elon has stated, they make "about 20 hardware changes a week" to our cars, "many of which will likely not be noticed."
And that is how hundreds of pounds are removed over the years, leading to bigger "a" in the F=ma equation, and larger
There has not been any independent verification of that as far as I know.
EcoHeliGuy
Member
PJFW8
Red Menace may hurt me
Read this at one sitting. Excellent entertainment. I am jealous of the adventure but both too dumb and too smart to attempt this. Thank You!
satoshi
Electrical Engineer
I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm necessarily rooting against you, I do hope you have success in salvaging it... Just I wish you'd be more careful in how you handle HAZMATs.
Didn't realize I was necessarily being hysterical, but I agree with JRP3's sentiments.
Careless deconstruction is just more fuel for the media to use to sell an anti EV story.
If you guys do your thing and it has no impact on my ability to do my thing, I have no problem with you guys doing whatever you want.
However, the parts ban is indicative that you guys doing your thing would get in the way of me doing my thing... thus the wrath.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
People have always taken apart and repaired the products they own. Nothing can be done about it, and no OEM should expect anything else. Tesla's parts ban will not stop anything. In fact it may cause people to use unsafe damaged products from salvaged vehicles instead of buying new replacement parts, so if anything, Tesla is potentially making the situation worse.
EcoHeliGuy
Member
What bothers me is all the " Tesla in out to screw us " angles people are preaching. This isn't the 1930's when news didn't cross county lines. This is the instant Information Age when a car burns to the ground after a supercharger is plugged in kills a company age. Tesla is protecting the brand for a greater good, because the downside is catastrophic not only for tesla, but every tesla owner, ev owner, and man kind. Tesla dose have the legal right In protecting there brand ,image , and the obligation to protect the human life in a Tesla car.
satoshi
Electrical Engineer
I agree.
Part of the reason I got hysterically angry at you guys is feeling punished for something I had no involvement in, and that wrath was hoping to express to Tesla that not everyone is going to go about repairing vehicles so carelessly.
Have you noticed that the parts ban is also damaging their own brand?
This "Tesla is out to screw us" sentiment is a different kind of brand damage, and one probably equally as detrimental as the media's yellow journalism.
You need the support of tinkerers to succeed in the automotive industry. It is far too early in Tesla's tenure to be closing the door on such a vital and important market segment.
Then also the current design making it such that any slight damage totals the car and goes for auction at 1/10 the retail value in salvage auctions is going to put the hurt on insurance companies who then will raise premiums on the model S, and make it impractical to own a Tesla vehicle in that sense.
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