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Might be difficult, from the article: "It sounds like the Avant isn't slated for the U.S., though, which is unfortunate. Then again, while we don't get the current, regular A6 Avant in the U.S. either, we do get the RS 6, so that could be a possibility"That Audi looks great. If they nail the landing that could be at the top of my list. I keep hoping they will expand the EV tax credit.
I was looking at leasing an eqs 450 prior to getting my model s and although the interior is nice and the 4 wheel steer is helpful I just couldn’t get over the looks, the lack of charging infrastructure, although Mercedes would have provided a year of free charging, for me the main things were the lack of sentry (which I find helpful in public places and at night since I do not have a garage, and ironically the dog mode, I have my dog with me a LOT and it’s such a small but useful feature. The S reminds me of a sedan version of my mkv Supra where it just looks good from every angle. The eqs was hard to LIKE from any angle.I stoped in and spoken to both a Mercedes Benz and BMW dealers. The iX, EQS have enormous incentives. The lease prices, I’m definitely moving back to leasing due to price volatility and technological change rate, are on par with a model X. The EQS and iX m60 did quite well in Kyle O’Connors 70 MPH range test (340). The EQE has big incentives, not as much as EQE, but they’re still priced like a model X. I’d consider one only as s lease because the purchase prices are so much higher than the X.
The EQE 53 AMG was really quite something inside and hit 270 in a range test with EPA at 235. The EQE 500 did 314 vs 270 EPA.
Anyone else get vibes that Tesla/Elon has lost interest in cars and is focusing everything on autonomous/AI tech to ride that stock hype wave?
The vehicles are feeling very long in the tooth and no ETA for interesting new things. I'm in the Cybertruck is vaporware camp. Maybe they will shock the world and unveil a new Model S or X or something soon?
We'll see. I think Tesla is in for some rough times ahead. At this point, just about everyone who wants a 3/Y has one. The updates are pretty minor all things considered, I don't think necessarily enough to convince an existing owner to upgrade. The sales are declining despite continually dropping prices. Existing owners are also more reluctant to upgrade given the absolute destruction to the resale value.I think it's just more settling into being a more mature, stable organization.
Model 3 refresh is seemingly well received and is really the default choice for the market segment. That's not necessarily exciting and flashy but it's a compelling business story. Model Y is apparently the best selling car in the world or close to it so things seem to be doing well there. Can't imagine the Y refresh will be far behind the 3.
Sure seems like there's something coming in the way of a revamped Model 3 Performance that could be pretty exciting.
The "Model 2" or whatever it's gonna be called could be a boon internationally but I'm guessing a big yawn in the US market.
Not sure what to make of the "Cybertruck is vaporware" comment given they're on the streets and very much exist. Maybe you man "vaporware" in the sense that what was delivered very much doesn't match up with what was promised, in which case I'd agree. They'll sell well to the fanatics for the next couple years but I don't see this being a long-term viable product for the market. It's a cosplay toy.
S/X are what they are. Amazing values in a market segment that is ever-shrinking and disinterested. Not a lot of people looking for "high value" $80,000 cars right now.
Some of those 3/Y owners may eventually go S/X (like I did), but after that, what's next? Nothing that Tesla sells are seems to be interested in making.
My next car will probably be a 911 of some sort, but that's obviously meant to be an additional car, not a replacement for the S. I'd like to keep an EV for a daily driver. Probably 2nd gen Taycan by the time I'm ready to buy another. Maybe BMW/Mercedes if they have real M or AMG equivalents by then.Back to ICE baby! Nice AMG, M5 goodness.
Serious question: What's the competition at say the Model S LR price point of $75k? I don't see really anything on the market offering the same value at that price.Not sure there's great value with the S/X anymore. There's competition now with better build quality, customer service, range, performance etc now.
I agree that Tesla's in for a rough patch along with most of the rest of the auto industry. Weird times ahead and at least here in the US we're really starting to see the EV backlash and skepticism take root. That's gonna be a whole thing to overcome.We'll see. I think Tesla is in for some rough times ahead. At this point, just about everyone who wants a 3/Y has one.
Key word there is, "new" Camry. Tesla isn't making new stuff. It's just hoping people continue to buy the old stuff, which are doing in fewer numbers. Automakers generally need a new version every 6-10 years. Model S is 12-13 years old now.I agree that Tesla's in for a rough patch along with most of the rest of the auto industry. Weird times ahead and at least here in the US we're really starting to see the EV backlash and skepticism take root. That's gonna be a whole thing to overcome.
Disagree on the 3/Y though... it's hard to claim that the current best selling car in the world has exhausted the market of interested buyers. Model 3 remains in the top 10 for global sales as well.
At some point it just becomes routine, stable technology. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Toyota doesn't need a bunch of big flashy whizzbangs and gimmicks to convince people to buy a new Camry.
I mean the Camry hasn’t really changed much besides an exterior facelift and some software in a number of years eitherKey word there is, "new" Camry. Tesla isn't making new stuff. It's just hoping people continue to buy the old stuff, which are doing in fewer numbers. Automakers generally need a new version every 6-10 years. Model S is 12-13 years old now.
The S/X were refreshed in 2021 and were refreshed prior to that.Key word there is, "new" Camry. Tesla isn't making new stuff. It's just hoping people continue to buy the old stuff, which are doing in fewer numbers. Automakers generally need a new version every 6-10 years. Model S is 12-13 years old now.
How do you define this? How many common parts are there between a 2012 and 2024 Model S? I'm guessing extremely few.Model S is 12-13 years old now.