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I hate LNG as much as the next fellow, but I have a sneaking suspicion we just leech off as much gas as we use or liquify from the Permian.

Have some faith in scaling renewables and the impact widespread storage will have on the German grid.

Renewables we're 62% of supply in February. They'll move quickly and get there faster than most think.

Now for the HEEEET PUMPZ!!!
 
Germany imports about 4.1 exajoules of natural gas, with about 60% of that (2.5ej) coming from Russia. Shutting down those 6 nuke plants increases that deficit by another 0.6ej… so dumb. 🤡

Electricity is not strictly fungible for Natural gas. For example, it is used as a feedstock for chemicals, which can not be replaced directly by electricity. This gas usage isn't a climate issue unless the CH3 is burned and C02 released (as long a there is enough supply).

Additionally, using water, atmospheric CO2 and electricity you can manufacture natural gas, as SpaceX intends to do on Mars via the Sabatier process. This is how we need to source our natural gas in a sustainable energy future, so we should begin developing the tech now.

Overall, through switching domestic/office commercial heating from gas to heat pumps, the demand for natural gas can be sharply curtailed. Which we need to do anyway if we are to meet our 2050 climate goals.

So... Let's Go! :D
 
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Russia covering their troop losses and making plans for the long haul:

Putin authorizes draft of nearly 135,000 into Russian military | CNN


Russia conscripts around 260,000 people a year in two rounds, one starting April 1 and the other October 1. They adjust the exact number each round a little, but it averages about 130K per round. This is completely within normal levels.

An article explaining it
Institute for the Study of War

Technically the surviving soldiers conscripted last April will be released from service soon, but I've read that the Russians were strong arming the conscripts into 3 year enlistments before the war so they wouldn't be sending conscripts into the war. A fair number of last year's conscripts are now contract soldiers and are stuck.

It will increase the Russian army a bit, but the hair on fire news is misplaced.

Give small hands a dollar and he’ll sellout this country to finance his legal fees.

This makes him a puppet. Kim Jong in can’t be bought. That’s the difference.

The KGB had a term for people like him: convenient idiot. People who could be coerced into doing the USSR's bidding for peanuts. Usually it was greed, especially after WW II, but sometimes it was ideology too.

I was beat to it, but I was talking mostly about mid to high altitude SAMs that Ukraine is requesting, although the Ukrainian air force does serve as a deterrent too, even if they don't fly that many sorties.

If Russia manages to take out the remaining mid/high altitude AA, they can fly at mid altitude across Ukraine with a lot less worry and do the same type of bombing in the western and northern regions they have already been doing in southern/eastern Ukraine. As for effectiveness, such bombing can still hit larger targets like fuel and ammo depots that currently they have to use missiles to hit, which can save those missiles for other targets. And outside of military targets, they can further pound civilian targets to pressure Ukraine for negotiations (even if it doesn't necessarily win the war).

That is why Ukraine has continually requested those assets, because they need them in case their current ones get taken out (and MANPADs don't serve the same roles).

The Ukrainians are capturing some Russian SAMs, but they do need all that can be scraped together. The US is working to get NATO systems sent to Ukraine, probably promising US made systems in return.

Those soldiers touched "Red forest" took alot of Radiaton and different particles from there...seems will have radiation sickness and those are ALOT...

In the early days of the war the Russians went right through the exclusion zone and kicked up enough radioactive dust that it was detected in Kyiv. Many military experts said that Russia had the equipment to go through that area without exposing their troops to too much radiation. But what we have learned since is they took no precautions. A large number of the troops who have been west of Kyiv who survive this war will probably suffer from cancer in the coming years.

The Russians really don't have much regard for their troops.
 
IS THIS FOR REAL????????

I've not seen any follow-up to this insanity, am I missing something?

Please don't get your particle physics advice from reddit. There is almost zero gamma radiation coming from those cores 36 years after shutdown. The whole purpose of the concrete sarcophagus is to block gamma radiation. The fissile materials have greatly decayed (half-lifes), and are contained in their tomb.

Here is 2sec of Googling:

Alpha radiation consists of helium nuclei and is readily stopped by a sheet of paper. Beta radiation, consisting of electrons or positrons, is stopped by a thin aluminum plate, but gamma radiation requires shielding by dense material such as lead or concrete.

Alpha and Beta radiation would NOT make it through concrete, or even the trench earth walls.

This is pure scare mongering by redit punks.
 
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Please don't get your particle physics advice from reddit. There is almost zero gamma radiation coming from those cores 36 years after shutdown. The whole purpose of the concrete sarcophagus is to block gamma radiation. The fissile materials have greatly decayed (half-lifes), and are contained in their tomb.

Here is 2sec of Googling:



Alpha and Beta radiation would NOT make it through concrete, or even the trench earth walls.

This is pure scare mongering by redit punks.

I agree that the soldiers are not suffering from gamma radiation exposure, but there is a lot of alpha and beta particles in the dirt around the plant. The exclusion zone is there to keep the dirt from getting disturbed too much. When the Russians passed through they kicked that up and many breathed in the particles. When they started digging trenches the soldiers got a real snoot full of radioactive dust. They probably also swallowed some as radioactive dust fell on their food.

The people who have been allowed into the exclusion zone are instructed on how to do so without stirring up much dust. The Russian army took no precautions. There are stories from workers at the plant who were able to get messages out that they saw Russian soldiers doing things the workers called suicidal. When they talked to the soldiers, most had never heard of Chernobyl. They don't teach about it in Russian schools.

It's like China and Tienanmen Square. Outside of China the world knows what happened in 1989. Inside China it's just a place.
 
Russia conscripts around 260,000 people a year in two rounds, one starting April 1 and the other October 1. They adjust the exact number each round a little, but it averages about 130K per round. This is completely within normal levels.

An article explaining it
Institute for the Study of War

Technically the surviving soldiers conscripted last April will be released from service soon, but I've read that the Russians were strong arming the conscripts into 3 year enlistments before the war so they wouldn't be sending conscripts into the war. A fair number of last year's conscripts are now contract soldiers and are stuck.

It will increase the Russian army a bit, but the hair on fire news is misplaced.



The KGB had a term for people like him: convenient idiot. People who could be coerced into doing the USSR's bidding for peanuts. Usually it was greed, especially after WW II, but sometimes it was ideology too.



The Ukrainians are capturing some Russian SAMs, but they do need all that can be scraped together. The US is working to get NATO systems sent to Ukraine, probably promising US made systems in return.



In the early days of the war the Russians went right through the exclusion zone and kicked up enough radioactive dust that it was detected in Kyiv. Many military experts said that Russia had the equipment to go through that area without exposing their troops to too much radiation. But what we have learned since is they took no precautions. A large number of the troops who have been west of Kyiv who survive this war will probably suffer from cancer in the coming years.

The Russians really don't have much regard for their troops.
“The Russians really don't have much regard for their troops.”

Never have.
 
Begins to look as if Chernihiv and Sumy both relieved by Ukraine today

[edit] and Hostomel

Also Russian forces in Brovary area seem to be very much on back foot, but Izium and Maripol both under Russian pressure.

[edit] I have seen reports Russians have mined Antonov Bridge down by Kherson ....

It is important to remember that Ukraine announced a "General Mobilisation" a few weeks back and new soldiers are being trained up.

It seems to me that "rear guard' forces are supposed to hold Ukraine up long enough for Russia to reorganise and redeploy, but they are not doing that, and Russia seems to be losing ground in areas like Kherson, where they probably didn't expect it.

If the bridge is blown Ukraine will simply find another way across the river, but they are gain ground in the Kherson area, not attacking Kherson city so far.

IMO in the north if Ukraine can drive Russia back to the border they can build strong defences and mix in a few new less experienced troops for the relatively easy task of defending areas where a fully committed Russian attack is unlikely.

Ukraine can free up experienced troops move East perhaps faster than Russia can reorganise and redeploy, part of this is the Ukraine army is naturally more nimble and flexible.

Yes, SAMs are important to reduce the threat from Russian aircraft, but well equipped and well trained troops on the ground make a difference.

Short of using Nuclear, I'm still not convinced Russia has any path to meaningful military victory with 6-12 months, and I'm equally not convinced the Russian economy will be standing in 6-12 months, especially if more is done on sanctions.
 
It is important to remember that Ukraine announced a "General Mobilisation" a few weeks back and new soldiers are being trained up.

It seems to me that "rear guard' forces are supposed to hold Ukraine up long enough for Russia to reorganise and redeploy, but they are not doing that, and Russia seems to be losing ground in areas like Kherson, where they probably didn't expect it.

If the bridge is blown Ukraine will simply find another way across the river, but they are gain ground in the Kherson area, not attacking Kherson city so far.

IMO in the north if Ukraine can drive Russia back to the border they can build strong defences and mix in a few new less experienced troops for the relatively easy task of defending areas where a fully committed Russian attack is unlikely.

Ukraine can free up experienced troops move East perhaps faster than Russia can reorganise and redeploy, part of this is the Ukraine army is naturally more nimble and flexible.

Yes, SAMs are important to reduce the threat from Russian aircraft, but well equipped and well trained troops on the ground make a difference.

Short of using Nuclear, I'm still not convinced Russia has any path to meaningful military victory with 6-12 months, and I'm equally not convinced the Russian economy will be standing in 6-12 months, especially if more is done on sanctions.

Ultimately against a determined enemy, the only way to win is to take and hold ground. That requires lots of troops with the skills to stop an insurgency. The US wars in Afghanistan and Iraq failed because they never put enough boots on the ground. Those who were there were very capable, but there just weren't enough troops.

If the army becomes completely unable to function due to collapse of their supply system, loss of equipment, loss of leadership, and basement level morale, the Russians can keep firing off Iskanders at Ukraine and flying aircraft over Ukraine, but it would just be for spite. There wouldn't be any real military reason anymore.

A couple of things could happen at that point. If their army basically ceases to exist, they might panic about a Ukrainian invasion and pull back their artillery and aircraft in case the Ukrainians try to take their bases.

Another possibility would be with all the troops out of Ukraine, the UN or NATO might declare a no fly zone as a peacekeeping mission. With Russian troops in Ukraine, the Russians could claim that their long range artillery and aircraft are serving in support of their ground forces, but with no troops left in the country they don't have that fig leaf to hide behind. With no army left to speak of, the Russians might do some sabre rattling about it, but would give in. Starting a ground war with the most powerful and best trained force in the world (NATO) would be a dumb move with only shattered elements of an army left, even for Putin.

But then option 3 would be to go nuclear. I don't think Putin would risk it though. I'm sure multiple world leaders have told Putin that going nuclear would unleash NATO. If the EMP from a nuke took out any electronics in Poland or Hungary or radiation from a nuke fell on NATO territory, that could be an excuse to trigger Article 5. And they have probably conveyed that to Putin.

It does look like Russia's rear guards are falling apart and the Ukrainians are rolling them up. The Ukrainians started the TDF (Territorial Defense Forces) at the start of the war. It's a militia basically, but they have performed quite well. They have been involved in some vehicle ambushes and taken out a lot of Russian equipment. Before Ukraine quit reporting their force numbers in early March they already had 60,000 in the TDF.

The TDF is a great force to hold ground and free up the regular army for operations in the south. The collapse of the northern front is creating a race between armies like the collapse of the Russian Empire in 1917 at the same time the US entered the war caused a race. The Germans scrambled to move troops to the western front before the Americans could get there. Nobody expected it, but the Americans won the race and the German transferred troops didn't give them any benefit.

The Russians have further to go moving troops. The Ukrainians have a straight line from around Kyiv to southern areas. The Russians have to pull their troops out into Belerus or across the Russian border, then transfer them around Ukraine. The Russian forces are almost certainly more depleted than the Ukrainian forces and it's certain their morale is vastly lower than Ukraine's. The Ukrainian troops would be coming off a win in the north and will be in high spirits and ready to route Russians in the south.

The Russians from the north are a spent force. Frostbite has been a severe problem. The Ukrainians have found Russians frozen to death, which is another indication of how the Russians have degraded. One thing they used to do very well was winter warfare, but they are losing soldiers to hypothermia and frostbite in the spring!

Their surviving equipment is mostly trashed at this point and their reserve equipment is mostly ready for the junkyard. They will scrounge what they can to give to the units pulled out of the north, but it will likely be much older and both more vulnerable to ATGMs and in many cases broken. To just bulk up their forces they will likely send barely mobile T-64s into combat with the former northern forces.

The Russians are going to be conscripting people over the next 3 months, but it will take some time to get those people ready to go, even if they have the bare minimum of training. I think the Ukrainians will get to the south first and with a stronger force.
 
This thread backs up what several posters have been saying here:-

IMO Ukraine should get more support even though it is possible for them to win the "hard way", the hard way means more losses of everything, civilians, troops, military equipment, buildings and infrastructure.

And the "hard way" leaves a glimmer of hope for the Russians that they might win.

So what is needed ASAP and should be done:-
To effectively protect Ukraine, the optimal solution would be Patriot systems from the US or the cheaper, more mobile NASAMS systems from Norway. In addition, Ukraine could also use more Soviet-era S-300 and BUK-M1 systems, which are also currently effective against the enemy.

These NASAMS systems from Norway seem like a great idea to me, they will make the "hard way" a little easier.
 
Another possibility would be with all the troops out of Ukraine
Don't see that happening unless Ukraine makes a massive counteroffensive that takes back the whole Donbass region and even Crimea, which is a huge long shot. Otherwise I see almost no possibility of Russia leaving the Donbass and Crimea regions anytime soon. Ukraine has indicated they are willing to compromise in terms of reversing things to where they were before 2/24/2022, but they aren't pushing on taking back Donbass and Crimea as ceasefire conditions (although they obviously will not recognize their independence from Ukraine).
the UN or NATO might declare a no fly zone as a peacekeeping mission.
UN peacekeeping is basically not going to happen with Russia having veto power in the Security Council. This was pointed out early in the war as a reason why UN as an organization may be outdated or ineffective in the modern era.
As for NATO, not seeing it happen either or NATO would have declared one a long time ago. Needing a consensus with all NATO nations is too high a bar to clear. That is why Ukraine seems to have completely given up on that idea. Instead Ukraine is asking for security guarantees from individual nations in their negotiations and in terms of requests asking for fighters and mid/long range SAMs so they can defend themselves.
 
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This thread backs up what several posters have been saying here:-

IMO Ukraine should get more support even though it is possible for them to win the "hard way", the hard way means more losses of everything, civilians, troops, military equipment, buildings and infrastructure.

And the "hard way" leaves a glimmer of hope for the Russians that they might win.

So what is needed ASAP and should be done:-
To effectively protect Ukraine, the optimal solution would be Patriot systems from the US or the cheaper, more mobile NASAMS systems from Norway. In addition, Ukraine could also use more Soviet-era S-300 and BUK-M1 systems, which are also currently effective against the enemy.

These NASAMS systems from Norway seem like a great idea to me, they will make the "hard way" a little easier.
Nice to see confirmation from Ukraine's Air Force of the independent observations I and others have made, even the exact models confirmed (I mentioned Patriot, S300, Buk upthread, although not NASAMS). MANPADs really are not enough, and too many of mainstream media can't seem to tell the difference and are hyping up those shipments too much (which may have serious consequences if politicians making military aid decisions listen to those accounts and think current aid is sufficient).
 
This thread backs up what several posters have been saying here:-

IMO Ukraine should get more support even though it is possible for them to win the "hard way", the hard way means more losses of everything, civilians, troops, military equipment, buildings and infrastructure.

And the "hard way" leaves a glimmer of hope for the Russians that they might win.

So what is needed ASAP and should be done:-


These NASAMS systems from Norway seem like a great idea to me, they will make the "hard way" a little easier.

The press release says they can learn to fly western jets in 2-3 weeks. The most likely western jet would be F-16s, the US has about 4000 spare. The USAF transition training on the F-16 is 6 weeks and that's from other US or NATO jets. Russian jets have a lot more differences.

They also claim that every war since WW II has hinged on air superiority. There are many wars that went against the power with air superiority: Soviets in Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq, and the US in Afghanistan among others.

I generally agree with their argument, but there is some lily gilding here IMO.

Don't see that happening unless Ukraine makes a massive counteroffensive that takes back the whole Donbass region and even Crimea, which is a huge long shot. Otherwise I see almost no possibility of Russia leaving the Donbass and Crimea regions anytime soon. Ukraine has indicated they are willing to compromise in terms of reversing things to where they were before 2/24/2022, but they aren't pushing on taking back Donbass and Crimea as ceasefire conditions (although they obviously will not recognize their independence from Ukraine).

UN peacekeeping is basically not going to happen with Russia having veto power in the Security Council. This was pointed out early in the war as a reason why UN as an organization may be outdated or ineffective in the modern era.
As for NATO, not seeing it happen either or NATO would have declared one a long time ago. Needing a consensus with all NATO nations is too high a bar to clear. That is why Ukraine seems to have completely given up on that idea. Instead Ukraine is asking for security guarantees from individual nations in their negotiations and in terms of requests asking for fighters and mid/long range SAMs so they can defend themselves.

I was talking about pushing the Russians back to the start line at the start of this war. Invading Crimea would be difficult, the connection to Ukraine is a narrow isthmus that would be easy to defend. The disputed territory in Donbas would be a bit easier, but the Russians have been in control there long enough it would be more difficult to take that territory than taking back territory that was Ukraine 6 weeks ago.

The UN can put a resolution on the floor for the whole membership and bypass the Security Council. The Security Council is a poorly designed committee. There have already been noises that if a peace keeping resolution was put on the floor for the whole UN, it would likely pass, especially if the Russians have been pushed back to the start line.
 
The press release says they can learn to fly western jets in 2-3 weeks. The most likely western jet would be F-16s, the US has about 4000 spare. The USAF transition training on the F-16 is 6 weeks and that's from other US or NATO jets. Russian jets have a lot more differences.

They also claim that every war since WW II has hinged on air superiority. There are many wars that went against the power with air superiority: Soviets in Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq, and the US in Afghanistan among others.

I generally agree with their argument, but there is some lily gilding here IMO.



I was talking about pushing the Russians back to the start line at the start of this war. Invading Crimea would be difficult, the connection to Ukraine is a narrow isthmus that would be easy to defend. The disputed territory in Donbas would be a bit easier, but the Russians have been in control there long enough it would be more difficult to take that territory than taking back territory that was Ukraine 6 weeks ago.

The UN can put a resolution on the floor for the whole membership and bypass the Security Council. The Security Council is a poorly designed committee. There have already been noises that if a peace keeping resolution was put on the floor for the whole UN, it would likely pass, especially if the Russians have been pushed back to the start line.
I also like the idea of pushing the Russians back to the start line.

From that is a great place to start negotiating, basically the war has achieved nothing at great cost.

Ukraine didn't have Donbas and Crimea at the start of the war, it is at least worth trying some negotiated settlement for those regions.
e.g. independent states with a future vote on joining Ukraine, joining Russia or staying independent. I say this because I doubt they will vote to join Russia, especially when Ukraine is in the EU. They will join Ukraine, or stay independent.
 
The press release says they can learn to fly western jets in 2-3 weeks. The most likely western jet would be F-16s, the US has about 4000 spare. The USAF transition training on the F-16 is 6 weeks and that's from other US or NATO jets. Russian jets have a lot more differences. /...
With all due respect, but are you really that qualified on this matter?

6 weeks would be 5 days a week with normal working hours. But what if you work say 14 hours a day 7 days a week? And if the future of your country depends on your performance... If they say 2-3 weeks, then I'm going to trust them.
 
I found this article helpful in comparing and contrasting…

As others have pointed out quite recently in this thread: Whatever is in that article does not take into account the massive problem Putin's air force could become if the Ukrainians aren't able to continue flying sorties with their own Air Force...
 
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I also like the idea of pushing the Russians back to the start line.

From that is a great place to start negotiating, basically the war has achieved nothing at great cost.

Ukraine didn't have Donbas and Crimea at the start of the war, it is at least worth trying some negotiated settlement for those regions.
e.g. independent states with a future vote on joining Ukraine, joining Russia or staying independent. I say this because I doubt they will vote to join Russia, especially when Ukraine is in the EU. They will join Ukraine, or stay independent.

I think a good solution would be for the Ukrainians to insist that the Donbas region occupied since 2014 and Crimea have an initiative on which country they want to belong to that is administered by a third party like the UN. Then if they want to be part of Russia, Ukraine can let them go, but if they don't Ukraine has been right all along.

With all due respect, but are you really that qualified on this matter?

6 weeks would be 5 days a week with normal working hours. But what if you work say 14 hours a day 7 days a week? And if the future of your country depends on your performance... If they say 2-3 weeks, then I'm going to trust them.

I have been a student of military aviation for over 50 years, but it's not my profession. I was surprised the transition training for the F-16 was only 6 weeks.

One thing I do know is task planning. I've been having to give project estimates for engineering projects for decades. One consistent thing most people do when estimating how long a task is going to take is to be overly optimistic about how long it takes. I've learned to be brutally pessimistic and I usually get an accurate result in the end.

I think the estimate given by the Ukrainians might be to optimistic. Maybe a crash course is possible, but I'm skeptical.

I found this article helpful in comparing and contrasting…


I have read the Ukrainians studied that war when they were planning their defense.

The Ukrainians have made the most of the resources they had. They have prepared for the right war.

Another analysis from someone I've been following (suggested by someone else on this thread)
How the West Got Russia’s Military So, So Wrong