Terminator857
Active Member
I'd be surprised if NATO, or even just the U.S. couldn't get rid of Putin in short order.
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Russia/Ukraine conflict
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Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
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ZachF
Active Member
Well, there is those pesky nukes though…
If there were no nukes involved the USAF/NATO could pretty much delete the Russian presence in Ukraine in like 2-3 days.
Honestly I think it’s time for the US to leverage its enormous spacelift advantage to build a ballistic missile shield. It was an impossible pipe dream in the 1980s, but Falcon makes it possible, and Starship makes it easy.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
No, but Putin did exactly this in the DonBass last month. Artillery fire across the border. From Russian guns / partisans towards Russia.
ZachF
Active Member
Oil plunges as much as 17% as UAE says support output hike (28 min ago)
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Oil prices fall most in 2 years as UAE supports output hike
Global oil prices fell on Wednesday by the most in nearly two years after OPEC member the United Arab Emirates said it supported pumping more oilinto a market roiled by supply disruptions due to sanctions on Russia after it invaded Ukraine.www.reuters.com
UAE can probably supply an extra 300-500k bpd If they wanted to.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
There's already a shield over Chernobyl, more exactly a sarcophagus. Problem is, cracking that open salts the earth (well, much of the EU) with a very large DB.
The only people in a position to show Putin the door are in his inner circle, including the autocrats. The West should make Putin's departure a condition of the peace, along with seizing assets sufficient to pay for the recovery.
However, if Putin is so foolish to crack a DB, in reply we should salt his hydrocarbon infrastructure. That ensures he can never use that leverage again (at least for 18K years).
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ZachF
Active Member
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Triad has 3 legs. Missle shield only counters 1 of those legs. That's why MAD
A 4th leg is large DBs when in the hands of a belligerent.
ZachF
Active Member
Missile shield protects against ICBMs and SLBMs.
Russia’s bombers aren’t stealth either.
Also, if you can build a brilliant pebbles system, you could also build/combine it with a visual/IR/SAR mega constellation that when combined with recognition software could track the entire world’s military assets simultaneously in real time.
SAR might even be able track submarines!
You could also use starship as a weapons delivery system. A “squadron” of 12 of them could deliver 1200 tonnes of tungsten rods per sortie.
This is what I mean when I say that reusable spacelift and drones are going to obsolete most modern military equipment.
If not, maybe we could hire that teenager that tracked Elon's plane.
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His real name is Justin King. He’s what’s called an adversarial journalist. He’s also an ex-private military contractor. He comes from a military family, born in Japan. He’s spent time in jail as a result of some of his military “work.”You said it so nicely
- He’s an activist and an anarchist. He’s left-leaning (I think) but as opposed to many left-leaning activists of the Democratic Socialist ilk who are agitating for more government involvement and caretaking, he’s looking for less. He’s more of a survivalist.
- He’s also heavy into conservation – especially of wolves.
- I’m still baffled as to exactly what he’s about. But for anyone who is curious about politics – both global and domestic – and who is skeptical about current news (from all sources and political leanings), this is an intriguing new voice to add to the mix.
- I was not expecting to hear what I heard him say based on how he looks and sounds (and he often references that disconnect).
petit_bateau
Active Member
In case anybody was confused about how deeply the Cons were pwned by Putin, and how cheaply they sold the UK in delivering Brexit ... this is practically the definition of treason ...
Tory peer attended Cop26 summit for Russia, UN list shows
Former energy minister Greg Barker went to climate talks as part of Russian Federation partyRussia has good long range air defence, I don't know if any of the Ukrainian planes would make it all the way to Moscow.
With no peace treaty, I think Ukraine may eventually win the war, but it could take up to 1 year to happen,.
The full implications of a war like this lasting for a year need to be factored in, it will probably be even more intense for the next 2-3 months, and/or Russia will get desperate and resort to tactical nukes..
The worst peace treaty is better than the best war. There are no good wars, and especially not when civilian populations are being bombed in cities with no electricity and water supply.
Drones are probably taking care of the convoy, it looked like 2 separate strikes 1-2 days ago I imagine they can do more, but destroying tanks closer to Kyiv is probably the priority.
The best hope of Ukraine getting planes and helicopters is if Russian pilots hand them over $1,000,000 per plane and $500,000 per helicopter, with guaranteed resettlement in the West.
The logistics of this are not difficult there are airports in Ukrainian controlled territory with functional runways.
The first pilot lands, gets out of the plane and surrenders, then they slowly do it one at a time.
The pilots might have family back home, but if they are young and well educated, they might take the risk.
Life will be great for them, the only consideration is, people they may leave behind..
Dodger, I don't agree with this, Ukraine needs peace to prevent the death of a lot of innocent civilians, and I mean a lot, anything these else is a secondary consideration.
Enough sanctions should come off to restore the world economy to normal function.
Some sized assets should be retained until recovery is funded.
We don't need to specifically do anything to Putin and the Russians, they have done it to themselves.
The real story will be known by all as soon as the troops return home, IMO what we are seeing now is propaganda to try to defuse a potential powder keg at home.
The lesson Russia will learn is they need to modernise their military and they will probably study some captured weapons, we need to keep an eye on that.
But economically they are spent, they don't have social structure which fosters innovation, and they don't have a political structure that makes sensible purchasing decisions.
MontyFloyd
Member
That's the thing, it will not be fighting Russia, its fighting Ukraine.
Get it?
Could also call it a "Special Operation", just like Putin does, play his game.
MontyFloyd
Member
Not a False Flag.
This would a genuine declaration and attack, just not intend to cause real injury or damage.
Idea comes from movie, "The Mouse that Roared"
If the west can give Ukraine weapons, why can't they give them fighter planes?
Not following the logic.
Giving planes is not the same as participating in the no-fly zone, which Putin has drawn a red line on.
Poland should auction off the MIGs and make sure they are purchased by Ukraine for $1 each.
LIVE: Russia Accuses Ukraine of Attacking Chernobyl Power Grid
“I must note with great regret that the Ukrainian nationalists committed another provocation, an extremely dangerous provocation," the Russian Deputy Defense Minister said.
This might be a better option than the planes.
