nwdiver
Well-Known Member
That might have been workable in 2014 BEFORE anyone that didn't want to be with Russia fled or was killed....
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For a long time now I have been of the opinion that Elon is simultaneously the greatest catalyst and threat to $TSLA. A true double-edged sword. On the one hand his entrepreneurial spirit, drive and vision is unparalleled. On the other hand, I think that fame has risen above his head over the last few years. Having so many followers on Twitter, and in general being more famous than a movie star alters a person's psyche. I also suspect that he (voluntarily or involuntarily) surrounds himself with yes-men both online and in real life (e.g., see the persons he often responds to on Twitter, which basically have fulltime jobs hailing him hoping for a reply, and during Earning's calls I get authoritarian vibes from him toward his colleagues).
Imo it is up to each individual to determine if they can live with that, and I have chosen that I can, but it is wise to re-evaluate every once in a while.
Yes for sure, which is a pity IMO. Imagine an Elon with his drive and love for humanity but without the questionable traits, he would be unstoppable.Genius comes as a package...
“I loved that pigeon as a man loves a woman, and she loved me. As long as I had her, there was a purpose to my life.” - Nikola Tesla
This behavior is why I’m car shopping. Absolutely stomach churning.Wel he is learning that a lot of people disagree with him. If you care, go vote
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p.s. It is this side of his behaviour that make a lot of my family want nothing to do with anything related to him. They refuse to buy Teslas, own Tesla stock, etc.
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Agreed. The man has done much for the world’s future which gives him a pass in my view. Also, I respect him for speaking his mind regardless of the fallout which is not often found in today’s highly politicized world (I’d rather people speak “straight“ and different opinions are welcome).For a long time now I have been of the opinion that Elon is simultaneously the greatest catalyst and threat to $TSLA. A true double-edged sword. On the one hand his entrepreneurial spirit, drive and vision is unparalleled. On the other hand, I think that fame has risen above his head over the last few years. Having so many followers on Twitter, and in general being more famous than a movie star alters a person's psyche. I also suspect that he (voluntarily or involuntarily) surrounds himself with yes-men both online and in real life (e.g., see the persons he often responds to on Twitter, which basically have fulltime jobs hailing him hoping for a reply, and during Earning's calls I get authoritarian vibes from him toward his colleagues).
Imo it is up to each individual to determine if they can live with that, and I have chosen that I can, but it is wise to re-evaluate every once in a while.
One of the stated objectives is the recapture of Crimea, which seems improbable. Improbable things have occurred throughout history, but I wouldn't bet on them.I think the war should end - and is most likely to end - according to the stated objectives of the Ukrainian Government. I think he is being incredibly disrespectful to Ukrainian sacrifice and unforgivably naïve to the reality of the present and to history.
I will not be surprised if he lashes out in response to how unpopular his regurgitation of Russian propaganda is. "Ukraine is so ungrateful, I'm taking away Starlink."
Absolutely nuts tweet by Elon. Wrong on history of Crimea. Crazy idea to hold 'elections' after Russia has ethnically cleansed areas even though Ukraine would probably still win. Russia has spent the last six months killing all men in those areas, taking children into Russia and making it impossible to live there for people who don't agree with them. So Russia steals an area and Ukraine MUST supply water to it from it's own resources? WTF?
Elon simply wants the war to stop. He is not as interested as the new lines are drawn on the map, but about the people that will be killed and made miserable until the fighting stops.
Of course, many would like to see the Underdog Ukraine win back the territory they previously ruled (including Crimea), but the undeniable truth is that many will die and many will be made miserable during this process.
Does it really matter to most people on Earth, just exactly where the lines on the map between Russia and Ukraine are drawn?
Historically, most all lines on the map are drawn due to Military conflict. USA redrew it's lines due to Lousiana Purchased, caused by France needing $ to pay for their ongoing war, or the war we won over Mexico to gain Texas, New Mexico, SoCal etc.
Elon simply wants the war to stop. He is not as interested as the new lines are drawn on the map, but about the people that will be killed and made miserable until the fighting stops.
Of course, many would like to see the Underdog Ukraine win back the territory they previously ruled (including Crimea), but the undeniable truth is that many will die and many will be made miserable during this process.
Does it really matter to most people on Earth, just exactly where the lines on the map between Russia and Ukraine are drawn?
Historically, most all lines on the map are drawn due to Military conflict. USA redrew it's lines due to Lousiana Purchased, caused by France needing $ to pay for their ongoing war, or the war we won over Mexico to gain Texas, New Mexico, SoCal etc.
This has been talked about many times in this thread...
In short:
IF the Dictator isn't thrown out of Ukraine he will just rebuild his Mass-Murdering military machine and attack again. He will never stop. And there are seemingly many, many others just like him inside Russia today. Therefore appeasement isn't an option. And that is why this is Ukraine's stance in this 'conflict'.
Just voted, now 830K votes, 85% like Elon who supports Ukraine.
Just voted, now 830K votes, 85% like Elon who supports Ukraine.
I'm afraid this is another Alt-R trick: when facing lots of criticism (stock down nearly 9%) don't bother with facts, distract with something that will create clicks and inflame a debate, no matter how stupid it makes you look, you can just distract them again tomorrow.