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Russia/Ukraine conflict
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I can't find it at the moment and it's a few years old so it doesn't include the last couple of presidents, but I believe it was Pew who researched who was president when a cohort came of age and how that cohort voted throughout their lifetimes. Not everyone in a cohort votes one way or the other, but there are definite trends in the data.
If the president when someone turned 18 was considered successful, that cohort tends to vote for that president's party for the rest of their lives. If the president is considered a failure, that cohort tends to vote for the opposite party.
The generation that fought WW II came of age under Roosevelt and voted heavily Democrat their entire lives (my parents were exceptions to this). Those who came of age with the Eisenhower administration voted Republican. Those who came of age in the Kennedy/Johnson era votes Democrat. For the Nixon/Ford era, first term Nixon people vote Republican and later Nixon/Ford people vote Democrat. Those who came of age from Carter through most of Bush I's terms vote Republican. From the early 90s on most people vote Democrat.
The Democrats controlled the political narrative from the 1930s to the late 1970s and the Republicans controlled from 1980 to recently. Historians call these periods party systems or political eras.
Political eras of the United States - Wikipedia
There are pockets on the left bank of the Dneiper where the Ukrainians haven't reached yet. Largely because of extensive minefields.
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It's grotesque and doesn't achieve anything. Just underlines how brutal the Russians can be to the rest of the world.
petit_bateau
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Ukraine always make sure they have at least two potential thrusts poised. That way Russia cannot effectively manage any reserves because they cannot be sure which front will go live. So I don't think it is as simple as some pundits are making out.
BitJam
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I've been watching daily reports from Denys Davydov and others. There were pontoon bridges and ferries to get the soldiers and civilians across the Dnieper. The idea was to make it difficult for the Russians to move supplies and heavy equipment like tanks and artillery across the river. The Russians fled because it was very difficult to keep them supplied and reinforced. Logistics, logistics, logistics.
In general you do NOT want to engage in urban warfare if you can at all avoid it. Having the Russian troops cross the river instead of stay and fight in the city was a big win for Ukraine.
SwedishAdvocate
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CNN cancelled by UA over some “inappropriate” footage
Wonder where neo-nazism in Eastern Europe came from?...
Here's the former Director General of Roscosmos Dimitri Rogozin at Neo-Nazi rallies in Russia (see below)...
A Russian 'intelligence agency' operation anyone?... Could there have been some sort of plan here?...
Also: The video on CNN shows one young dude. Could he possibly be some sort of Russian collaborator paid to do that?... After all – there are quite a number of those inside Ukraine – allegedly... Or maybe the Russians have some sort of 'blackmail hold' on him forcing him to do that to keep a loved one from getting harmed/tortured or killed by the Russians...
I am nowhere near convinced that was a Nazi salute. Context is everything and we don't have any. The CNN and Sky journos didn't necessarily lose their accreditation over that clip in any case. They shouldn't even have been reporting from Kherson.
lolachampcar
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JRP3
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I think the message was intended for Russian soldiers: If captured don't volunteer to fight for Ukraine.
I don't think the guy was making a Nazi salute at the rally. When people make gestures while talking, especially an impassioned speech, they can thrust their arm out, and most people are right handed. People also often look like they are making a Nazi salute when they are waving at someone in the audience. You can probably find stills from most politicians where they look like they are giving a Nazi salute.
Neo-nazism is an extreme form of nationalism and nationalism is on the rise all over the world right now. Nationalist groups tend to fall back on symbols and messages from previous nationalist groups from their region. Germany left an imprint on eastern Europe in WW II and for the people who were prone to some kind of authoritarian tendency, the choices from recent history were communism or fascism. Most of the world has pretty much given up on communism. The remaining regimes that still call themselves communist are usually practicing a watered down version.
The Ukrainians are trying to maintain operational security and part of that is controlling what journalists put out. Any military with any decent self security does it, even the US. Anything reported from a US war zone needs to be vetted before being put out. Different countries have different rules.
The affected news agencies are 'demanding' their accreditation back and generally throwing a hissy fit.
News reporting can be a help and a hinderance to either side in a war zone, but it needs controlling carefully.
News reporting can be a help and a hinderance to either side in a war zone, but it needs controlling carefully.
Large Parade = Large Target.
Why put the remaining residents at risk for a story?
Why put the remaining residents at risk for a story?
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
The still isn't convincing one way or the other. I'd want to see video of this.
Most likely this is a screen cap of a video with a well chosen frame. People do make this sort of gesture fairly commonly. It's basically a victory salute.
I've seen the video on Twitter, and it's pretty cringe for sure. Hard to say it's meant as a Nazi/fascist salute though. He used his left arm, for one thing.
Do an image search for Victory Salute. About 1/4 of the images are people holding a single hand with a fist up.
Did you get a translation of what he said? It was probably something along the lines of "We did it, we kicked them out".
The Lore of the Victory Salute
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