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As John Stewart Mill said in 1867:
“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”

We seem destined to relearn this bleak lesson with Century that passes:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Martin Niemöller, 1946

Now we have the 21st Century to relearn it yet again.
 
Please @Dangerous Fish understand the words! 'Compulsive' connotes 'excessive', 'useless' and 'obsessive'. @Artful Dodger was simply trying to help you from converting your linked items from important to trivial, from useful to useless.

With your words you have caused thoughtful people to ignore whatever you were hoping to say.
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Dictionary definition of "compulsive":
irresistibly interesting or exciting; compelling.
"this play is compulsive viewing"

That's what I said and what I meant. If I'd written "compelling viewing, IMO", would that be wrong too?
 
The different Russian words and cultural connotations of "truth" were a fascinating etymological and anthropological topic relevant to the understanding the complexities of Russian citizens' support for the invasion.
"Compulsive" vs "Compulsory", not so much, imho.
P.S. Agree with Artful that the C in OCD brings baggage, but don't object to DF's word choice either way.
 
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Dictionary definition of "compulsive":
irresistibly interesting or exciting; compelling.
"this play is compulsive viewing"

That's what I said and what I meant. If I'd written "compelling viewing, IMO", would that be wrong too?

I think you should just point out that "compulsive viewing" is a common phrase in the UK. Other English speakers/writers might use "compelling viewing" instead.
 
I think you should just point out that "compulsive viewing" is a common phrase in the UK. Other English speakers/writers might use "compelling viewing" instead.
I wondered that. Thanks for confirming my suspicions and we should probably leave this off-topic discussion there. It reminds me a little of many years ago when I was in California at night and asked someone if they had a torch. They looked at me a bit odd. :oops:
 
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Dictionary definition of "compulsive":
irresistibly interesting or exciting; compelling.
"this play is compulsive viewing"

That's what I said and what I meant. If I'd written "compelling viewing, IMO", would that be wrong too?
No, compelling would be appropriate. IMHO, it really is helpful to, from time to time, debate word use, primarily because many words are becoming political rather than grammatical and also losing specificity. In this thread I'm sure we all are more sensitive in those linguistic matters in large part because of the Russian language seeming ambiguity regarding words that in English might seem to be absolutes, such as 'truth'.

The English problem of 'compulsory' vs 'compulsive' it just one example of the problem caused by a language which absorbs words from many languages so:
while both words stem from the same latin root, 'to force', one indicates 'required' while the other indicates 'obsessive'. The Russian language 'truth' is as difficult to translate simply because each word connotes different ambiguity.
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In this thread, more than most, ambiguity makes some of us compulsive in efforts to make posts compelling but hopefully not compelling compliance. Since that word, as many, has entirely different meanings depending on grammatical usage I recall my Linguistics professor compelling us to learn arcane grammar in Runic, the written form of Old English, failing to do so would cause a failing grade.

Even for this thread this would be off-topic were it not that Russian, Ukrainian, Lithuanian, Polish and Yiddish are deeply involved in the history that allows Putin to claim "Ukrainian is not a language" and "The Ukraine" is not a country. It is impossible to understand how and why the post 1990-1991 Russia semi to many Russians as an anomaly that has not legitimacy at all.

It is core to linguistic and social perspectives that no current high ranking Russian official can exist in power in oder to achieve peace.

In an earlier post I asserted that Putin's Russia would never stop murdering minorities. It is the linguistic and cultural history of the Baltics, Poland, and every other country that once was part of the USSR that makes it undeniable that the only real solution is having government run by people who reached adulthood after 1990.

Just check the leaders of Ukraine, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Moldova, Georgia every one reached adulthood after 1990. The exceptions in Latvia (born in USA) and Poland (educated in part in Switzerland and USA and formerly employed by a Spanish bank) prove the point.

Chances seem remote that Russia can rehabilitate itself with gerontological leadership. Is that not always the case?

Thus in my opinion peace will NOT happen no matter how bad the conditions become until Russia has leaders who never knew the USSR.
 
Mod: See why we discourage this kind of compelsivory discussion, @Artful Dodger? --ggr
Maybe rarely but sometimes it can be useful on topic. In part linguistic and cultural divergence and ethnocentricity brought us this war. Here, if we're to understand why our topic in the tread is relevant, our own trivial debate illustrates how it all happened. Luckily we ddi not go crazy with each other; we just discover how our comprehension fails with a common language.
 
The personal rancor I have left is for things such as Elon Musk's entirely ignorant and arrogant proposal. I am trying to keep that from tainting my Tesla and SpaceX optimism. That's is a stretch since I cannot help from thing about Ferdinand and Ferry Porsche and so many others. Then Bill Boeing. That all leads me to a conundrum that soon of you might help to solve. What responsibility do we have when our leading lights begin to advocate or assist morally reprehensible things?

That is a serious question.

Sad to say, but I think you are on your way out of Musk, Inc. When quests for peace are perceived as assisting evil, then it doesn't leave much room for you.
 
Sad to say, but I think you are on your way out of Musk, Inc. When quests for peace are perceived as assisting evil, then it doesn't leave much room for you.
I really don't think so. Several those people are already learning why simplistic solutions don't work. Elon does learn more quickly than almost anyone, so I do think he'll end offering simplistic solutions. He's always needed a support system to avoid the odd impulse, and I do think he's finding that now. My strong positive views of him historically have been challenged due to those events, but the last few days seem to indicate he's finding calming influences.
If anybody can help moderate excessive impulses one example would be Tim Cook.
 
I really don't think so. Several those people are already learning why simplistic solutions don't work. Elon does learn more quickly than almost anyone, so I do think he'll end offering simplistic solutions. He's always needed a support system to avoid the odd impulse, and I do think he's finding that now. My strong positive views of him historically have been challenged due to those events, but the last few days seem to indicate he's finding calming influences.
If anybody can help moderate excessive impulses one example would be Tim Cook.
You are going to need to avoid being like the wife who is trying to improve her man rather than accepting him for who he is. Can you do it? My sense is that Musk has not retracted his proposal and that he would make other proposals well short of the absolute Russia-out-of-Ukraine moral stance that you hold.

Tim Cook is not a moderating influence. Rather, he was merely a prop in Musk's move against Apple a couple of days before Apple was to meet the new Speaker of the House, Elon's long-standing conversation buddy. It sounds like Musk got most of what he wanted.
 
I wondered that. Thanks for confirming my suspicions and we should probably leave this off-topic discussion there. It reminds me a little of many years ago when I was in California at night and asked someone if they had a torch. They looked at me a bit odd. :oops:
To say nothing about my embarrassment at a bar many years ago when a comely English lady told me to "keep my pecker up". Ok going back into hiding now.
 
In the integrated circuit business counterfeit ICs have become a problem. The company I work for is getting into the counterfeit detection market so it's something I've been thinking about (I'm writing the software). I read last week that Russia is going on the black market to get ICs that are stopped by sanctions. And I had a thought that we should flodd the black market with counterfeit ICs.

In a meeting with the guy I report to last week I mentioned this and he said he's read that 30% of all the chips Russia is buying on the international market are counterfeit. And the percentage goes up for more sophisticated chips. There were some shady Chinese vendors who were selling counterfeits to US firms, but that business is now almost completely redirected to Russia now.

Couldn't happen to a nicer country...
 
I wondered that. Thanks for confirming my suspicions and we should probably leave this off-topic discussion there. It reminds me a little of many years ago when I was in California at night and asked someone if they had a torch. They looked at me a bit odd. :oops:
Our prior vehicles didn't have bonnets. They had hoods. We shield rather than screen from the wind. :)
 
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