Russia/Ukraine conflict

[Crutonius]

Any noise by Russia on having a defense treaty with Mexico or Cuba, I wonder what US will do? Go begging to UNSC? NO. You will see some short range missiles raining down on Cuba, followed by a ground invasion.




Let me fix that for you. Breaking promises by offering NATO membership to Ukraine, knowing very well this will trigger an immediate military reaction from Russia, is not worth the massive loss of Ukrainian and Russian lives. Russia has warned several times over decades that it will take military action if NATO moves forward in Ukraine. So acting as if this was totally unprecedented and unwarranted and sudden - is just cockamamie. You can fool stupid Americans with those 'patriotic lies' like how they got fooled by Iraq WMDs. But the rest of the world is not buying America's version.

Treating Ukraine as battle test ground to test modern weapons made by US MIC, is a crime against humanity.

Why would it be a problem for us if Russia had a defense treaty with Mexico? Are we planning on invading Mexico?

Also we haven't offered NATO membership to Ukraine, not that that's how it works anyways. Please show me where you're getting this information from.

 

[Unclepaul]

Not true. Fake news.

Trump has clearly stated that if Russia doesn't accept Ukraine's unconditional surrender then he'll continue to fund Ukraine.

I believe it it Trump's position that Putin did not invade Ukraine when he was President, and that he would not have invaded if he was re-elected again as well.
NATO excuse does not hold water. NATO nations have never invaded another non-NATO country. They use their combined military strength and agreements to protect each other, not to invade others. It is mostly the non-NATO countries are are threatening invasions. Russia attacking Ukraine, China threatening to invade Taiwan and not respecting to international borders of it's neighbors, North Korea threatening South Korea etc.

 

[madodel]

And another one bites the oily dust!

INFERNO STRIKE Putin humiliated as Ukrainian kamikaze drones strike Russia sparking huge inferno on eve of Vlad’s visit to North Korea

 

[dhrivnak]

Elon predicts a lot of things. He also predicted that blow things up in Crimea would start WW3.

I don't know how much more he has to get wrong before he realizes he's just not an expert on this subject. In fact his instincts are surprisingly bad.

And remember Elon promised full FSD in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 and in 2023. And that is something he both knows something about and has some control over. And one can add in the Semi, and Roadster.

 

[Tiger]

Nice to see at least one leader talk sensibly, coherently and advocating for peace. Demented Biden who is a slave to the warmongering Dem senators who make money from the MIC, and Napoleonic EU are drifting towards WW3.

He is pulling this stuff from his behind.

When in the past has any imperium stood down because of peace talks? Imeriums bow down only after they have been reduced to not-an-imperium.

 

[growler23]

but any shenanigans on Ukraine will be considered as crossing the red line and will not be tolerated.

Why? Ukraine won its independence like all the other former vassal states after the Soviet Union broke up. Why can it not decide its own course? Why does Russia get to consider Ukraine's own free choices a "red line"? Is it not a real nation just because Putin wants the riches of the Donbas?
For that matter, why did Russia get to re-invade Chechnya after the Union breakup? What "red line" did the Chechens cross? How about the Georgians today? In fact, why did Russia get to re-invade Crimea? Does Russia get a pass in your book for multiple actual military invasions, while countries like us wanting to voluntary join in resistance to an actual military invasion is somehow makes us Napoleon? I mean, who's army is invading who's country, exactly? Only one country over there is trying to militarily expand its empire right now, and it ain't Ukraine. Putin may in reality be no Napoleon but he sure is trying hard to be one - building up a massive army, invading neighbors, and talking a big game about continuing west while rattling the threat of nukes.
If this most recent invasion (the latest of several) is supposed to be because Russia can't abide a border with NATO... it had a border with NATO long before Putin invaded Ukraine. And it has an even longer one now, thanks to Finland, which 4D chess master Putin undoubtedly saw coming (and if he didn't he should resign and delete his account). So that explanation holds exactly 0 water.
So why is Ukraine not allowed to make its own free choices again?

 

[jerry33]

So why is Ukraine not allowed to make its own free choices again?

Putin wants that territory. No other reason.

 

[DanCar]

Unlike Russia which has invaded others several times, NATO never has.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1802780850628509926

 

[Electroman]

Unlike Russia which has invaded others several times, NATO never has.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1802780850628509926

BS.

Iraq & Yugoslavia & Afghanistan were invaded by a coalition of NATO countries. Just because those wars didn’t have a stamp of NATO doesn’t absolve US. And none of these were defensive wars.

Atleast Russia fought wars with its immediate neighbors.

 

[Quagmire2]

BS.

Iraq & Yugoslavia & Afghanistan were invaded by a coalition of NATO countries. Just because those wars didn’t have a stamp of NATO doesn’t absolve US.

Atleast Russia fought wars with its immediate neighbors.

Afghanistan was response to 9/11 and activated Article 5. Country was attacked, NATO was utilized in defense of attacked country. It's purpose.

Iraq, no NATO did not invade. Yes countries in NATO invaded, but it was not NATO action. The US couldn't force countries to join in Iraq utilizing articles that govern NATO.

If Ukraine was in NATO and the US just decided to invade Russia unprovoked, the US couldn't force Ukraine to help in the US's war with Russia just because they are in NATO.

 

[lolachampcar]

I'm going to have to reject this idea that Russia can try to eliminate Ukraine because the US has done some stupid stuff in places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

Two wrongs do not make a right as best I can remember what my parents tried to teach me.

 

[Dreadnought]

I'm going to have to reject this idea that Russia can try to eliminate Ukraine because the US has done some stupid stuff in places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

Two wrongs do not make a right as best I can remember what my parents tried to teach me.

Also known as Whataboutism - Wikipedia

 

[SwedishAdvocate]

BS.

Iraq & Yugoslavia & Afghanistan were invaded by a coalition of NATO countries. Just because those wars didn’t have a stamp of NATO doesn’t absolve US. And none of these were defensive wars. [...

You're the one spewing the BS.

@Quagmire2 has already debunked what you write here about Iraq and Afghanistan.

What the US and the European Democracies did in FORMER Yugoslavia was absolutely a defensive war! The US and other countries intervened because the Serbs decided to start committing a GENOCIDE against their neighbors in FORMER Yugoslavia! What the Serbs were doing in former Yugoslavia was actually really similar to what the Russian Dictator is ILLEGALLY doing against Human beings in Ukraine!

Trial of Slobodan Milošević - Wikipedia

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Trial of Radovan Karadžić - Wikipedia

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Trial of Ratko Mladić - Wikipedia

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[Electroman]

What the US and the European Democracies did in FORMER Yugoslavia was absolutely a defensive war!

If you claim that was defensive (you may have a point there), this Russian invasion of Ukraine was absolutely defensive for Russia to pre-emptively counter NATO aggressions and expansion.

 

[navguy12]

 

[navguy12]

 

[DanCar]

... Russian invasion of Ukraine was absolutely defensive for Russia to pre-emptively counter NATO aggressions and expansion.

Absolutely offensive. Putin saw land he wanted and went and took it by force. The worst mass murderer of our time.

 

[SwedishAdvocate]

If you claim that was defensive (you may have a point there), this Russian invasion of Ukraine was absolutely defensive for Russia to pre-emptively counter NATO aggressions and expansion. [My u.]

Absolutely not!

The Russian Dictator is waging an ILLEGAL Imperial Invasion against, and Occupation of, the Independent Democratic Nation that is Ukraine!

And NATO does not carry out any aggressions, nor does NATO expand. Instead Independent Democratic Countries chose by themselves to join NATO! And as the Russian Dictator has demonstrated in Ukraine and Georgia – there's a very good reason why these countries chose to join NATO!

 

[madodel]

A very good discussion on the issues of using the F-16 in Ukraine as well as other Western armaments.

 

[Tiger]

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Time to disconnect Russian internet as Putin wants anyways?