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Tesla would not want to get into the tire manufacturing business any more then they would want to get into the chip fabrication business. Design is another matter.

I am speculating here... Tesla has already filed a patent for a method of inflating tires dynamically - more or less. Other than electricity, tires are the single most costly consumable on their vehicles.

This tells me they are interested enough in tires to be looking at novel/patent-worthy improvements. Tesla has a history of vertical integration (trying to think if they make their own aero wheel covers?). They may subcontract for a time but in the end they often eat their own dog food and make their own product.

A Tesla tire would not be just another tire. It would need to operate in tunnels at high speeds (maybe not on todays vehicles) and in evacuated tunnels the tire pressure would not be working against atmospheric pressure so a patent to adjusting the air pressure dynamically might work in concert with a Tesla tire of their own design that is particularly tunnel friendly.

I believe tires are a major expense on Semi trucks. Tire improvements are important. I would expect Tesla to be looking at ways to mitigate that expense. Tires are also a significant fleet expense so they almost assuredly looking at tires closely.

Part of what influences Tesla design explorations is Mars. There will need to be tires of some kind on Mars and it is more cost effective to make them on Mars than to import them. And really, the same with chips. I would not be surprised to see them acquire a small chip fab.
 
So, people love railing on Tesla for poor service experiences. I had a great service experience today. Crack in front windshield which happened a few days ago. I made a service appointment through the Tesla app. Brought in the car this a.m. They inspected the car, and then informed me that they have a windshield in stock for me today. To top it off, they are covering the window under warranty. Could not have gone smoother or been more customer focused.
 
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So, people love railing on Tesla for poor service experiences. I had a great service experience today. Crack in front windshield which happened a few days ago. I made a service appointment through the Tesla app. Brought in the car this a.m. They inspected the car, and then informed me that they have a windshield in stock for me today. To top it off, they are covering the window under warranty. Could not have gone smoother or been more customer focused.

Service has been great in my area thus far. Customer service is horrific and unethical.
 
I agree they should have just replaced the tire and I'm sorry for your experience. But it's probably against their official policy.

But I take issue with your characterization that they thought you might be lying. I think this is an example of rule-following gone amuck. Once the car left the lot for a prescribed period of time (which is certainly shorter than a week), their policy is that any damage is the owner's responsibility. In this case, I think someone with the authority to make an exception should have stepped in but that didn't happen. I don't think it is fair to say they thought you might be lying.

This reminds me of a story from the 1980's when I worked at a small ski area deep inside the National Forest. We were completely off-grid with no telephones, no cellular phone service and no power lines. We had two diesel generators.

A guy comes into the bar and asks where the phone was. The bartender politely told him there were no phones at the ski area, the nearest one was 23 miles down the road. He said it was an emergency so he really needed to use a phone. She said you had better drive down the road then because that's where the nearest phone is. At this point his look of anger grew on his face and he said in a stern and commanding tone, "I don't think YOU understand what I'M telling you, I'm a physician and I have an emergency, I NEED to use your phone and I need it NOW!"

The bartender was not intimidated as she raised her voice loud enough for everyone in the room to hear and slowly and loudly said, "I don't care if you're the f**king President of the United States of America, there's no telephone here!" And with that, he stomped out of the room muttering something about how he was going to find the phone.

The policy doesn't care if you're a ditch-digger or the President of the United States, the policy is what it is. Slimy car stealerships will give you a new tire because they know they will stick you for some extra profit when you return for a service issue. It's all about building trust because trust is a valuable thing (if you know what I mean). I don't think Musk wants to operate that way.

How about if they’re stealing? Like agreeing to free supercharger for the first 9 months, then wanting to charging you in month 7 because they made a mistake, acknowledging their mistake, then still insisting that you pay for month 7?

Under what scenario is this not a breach of contract? I get that they’re saving money. But this is crazy bad policy, and illegal imo.
 
One week later I get a bolt right through the tire and Tesla tells me I need a new one. The manager knows I just bought them last week and comps the tire for me. So there are still good managers who care about customer service out there and this was just a few months ago.

Unless there is a clear service policy on this (I don't know one way or another but the within a "week" may be important), when I was managing service on a national level (not at Tesla), I would have moved that manager to another position. If the policy is wrong, then FIX the policy for everyone. That is what improves customer service. Perhaps establish a clear expense line for early tire failures. If you cover up the problems through violating policy then I don't need you as a manager. Again, they might have an perfectly adequate policy.

As you describe it, there is no fault on the part of Tesla for the bolt in your tire unless you meant to say it happened in the Tesla parking lot;). So what is the justification for the repair. Why is Tesla (a public company) accepting responsibility for that bolt? It is clearly not a warranty repair. There was no defect in material or workmanship. Some quality systems require that every warranty failure be returned for failure analysis. The expense of that bolt just keeps going up and there can be corrective actions after that.

Are they establishing a precedent that implies legal liability for tire failures? What if that bolt had resulted in an accident? What if the new tire fails causing an accident?

They likely would have to have falsified the service documents. Accounting is going to have to approve/assign the expense both part/tire and labor to some bucket. Labor can be a bit vague but the capital for the tire is a hard expense. Perhaps they falsified the car the tire came from such as a demo vehicle - another problem. These are all potentially deeply problematical from a business conduct viewpoint. Internal auditors have an uncanny way of finding such unusual charges.

If they have a clearly defined expense item (doubtful) for such tire problems, then all is good and it should be applied evenly for all.

My exaggerating a bit but connecting the purchase of the powerwall with the gift of a tire opens up another problem which suggests they have two price lists for certain products. Did they incent the purchase of the powerwall through the gift of the tire? Now we are bumping up against Safe Harbor issues and selling outside of a published price list and now the Corporate Legal department might be drawn in.

Safe Harbor Regulations | Office of Inspector General | U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

My point is not to bang on this post or Tesla service, my point is that great customer service is difficult to deliver with consistency and fairness. In the end, policies and practices driven with clarity, consistency and fairness get vastly superior results IMO. Practices that are not consistent or are subjective are not the best IMO.
 
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My connecting the Powerwall is just me investing in the company I invest in, nothing at all to do with the tire incident.
Me purchasing tires from overpriced Tesla is me investing in the company I invest in. I could have purchased them elsewhere cheaper but I choose to support Tesla.

I get your point about that tire has to come out of some budget but satisfied customers who continue to purchase Tesla products will give it back to them in the end.

The op of that Tire story should have gotten a tire 100%, now after his 6th purchase they've giving him a bad taste,, not the way to pay back loyal customers.
 
Yes. But not for this thread. Apparently something else happened.
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Wow. Sort by "recent".

Top 130 Reviews about Tesla Motors

I know that such sites bias towards negative reviews... but 24 minutes on hold for ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE? That's from July 1 (Charles of Barrington).
And on June 24 (Nicole of Scottsdale): nobody can be reached on the phone. May 2 (Steve of Rockville): service center permanently fails to answer phone.

Read some of the others. People are declaring that they love the car, but they will never buy another Tesla.

24 minutes? I was stuck in a place on hold for more than an hour. No land lines and no cell service and had to barrow a persons phone that luckily waited for me to get through. Not even a pick up to check if it was urgent. Not acceptable. How many people need roadside service that has a cue that long?
 
I guess my experiences have been different, as I have had nothing but positive experiences with customer service (over the phone, through online chat, and directly at my service center).

Service center is not CS. If you call CS and have a basic need or issue it's not a problem. It's when Tesla screws up is when they run and hide, lie, close cases with no response and then treat you like you are a child. Once I resolve my issue with them (i will by some means) I wil post it here however my guess is the force me to sign an NDA to settle which I will also fight. For those that do not think there are serious issues with management in CS and delivery I can tell you that's not the case. For nine months I have been told they would resolve my issue then someone lies and reverses their commitment. I have other words for these people in management but I won't use them here.
 
How about if they’re stealing? Like agreeing to free supercharger for the first 9 months, then wanting to charging you in month 7 because they made a mistake, acknowledging their mistake, then still insisting that you pay for month 7?

Under what scenario is this not a breach of contract? I get that they’re saving money. But this is crazy bad policy, and illegal imo.

Did the Tesla referral wording include the word first in front of the "9 months of free Supercharging" or did you add that? It looks to me like it just said 9 months of free Supercharging, so while not ideal, giving you months 1-6 free, 7 paid, and then 8-10 free is holding up their end of the deal.
 
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Service center is not CS. If you call CS and have a basic need or issue it's not a problem. It's when Tesla screws up is when they run and hide, lie, close cases with no response and then treat you like you are a child. Once I resolve my issue with them (i will by some means) I wil post it here however my guess is the force me to sign an NDA to settle which I will also fight. For those that do not think there are serious issues with management in CS and delivery I can tell you that's not the case. For nine months I have been told they would resolve my issue then someone lies and reverses their commitment. I have other words for these people in management but I won't use them here.

You know, I would like to take you and your username seriously but it's probably never going to happen because pretty much anything you post that has to do with Tesla is just dripping with negativity. And I'm not using the term "everything" very loosely here. It doesn't matter if you're discussing service, Elon Musk's IQ, Musk's level of maturity, Tesla's ethics, Tesla's pricing, Tesla's value, price cuts and/or raises (doesn't matter which), Tesla charging, personal license plate ideas, Tesla warranties, Tesla's level of competence, Tesla owners, Neuralink, Tesla #-holes, Tesla software updates, San Francisco, Tesla driving dynamics in snow, steep hills, frequency response of the stereo, cheap seats, uncomfortable side bolsters, poor sentry mode, bad Slacker, horrendous Tesla brake feel, etc. The list goes on and on and on. Pretty much everything Tesla related is a big let down that everyone needs to hear about. It's unnatural.

And yet Tesla has the highest owner satisfaction in the auto industry. But you sound like the most unhappy and dissatisfied person I've ever met. I don't think a car handbuilt for the Queen of England by Britians most experienced coachbuilder would make you happy. And please don't bother telling me how much of a Tesla supporter you have been, how you've tried to like the company and their products but it's just not possible, etc. etc.

I've learned to distrust the opinions of people who are outliers, especially when it contrasts sharply with what I know from firsthand experience.
 
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Did the Tesla referral wording include the word first in front of the "9 months of free Supercharging" or did you add that? It looks to me like it just said 9 months of free Supercharging, so while not ideal giving you months 1-6 free, 7 paid, and then 8-10 free is holding up their end of the deal.

Our impression at time of sale from the customer rep was that it was contiguous. She might have said that supercharging might take a number of days to activate, so technically not the first 9 months. We were definitely not told it was non-contiguous.

But even if they can legally award 3 months of supercharging per year for 3 years, that would be shady. I can't imagine that 9 months means non-contiguous 9 months without being told up front.
 
Did this thread become the service thread?

Some years ago people used to talk about TSLA here.

If you are an investor, my service experience should be highly relevant to you. In case you are not aware, Tesla does not spend money on advertising. Tesla owners are the ones spreading the gospel and fighting the FUD. As an early 2013 owner in Salt Lake City, I'm probably responsible for millions in sales, on top of the more than half a million I have spent myself. I don't know if I'm Tesla's biggest buyer in Utah, but I have to be among the top. So when I spend a lot of time on the phone, arguing with my delivery specialist, and then eventually the manager here, and I'm told that they won't consider the possibility that the test drive vehicle I bought with no discount (because after having sold my Model S I couldn't wait any longer for yet another VIN assignment and delay) could have had a nail in the tire from the test drives, that should be a huge red flag for everyone here. Personally, I am no longer considering buying another Tesla if Audi or Porsche can put out something decent in the next two years. You don't piss on your best clients.
 
This post was moved out of main, but is highly relevant here (especially considering the constant tangents that fills page after page). I'm copying it back here. Mods please don't move it again.

If you are an investor, my service experience should be highly relevant to you. In case you are not aware, Tesla does not spend money on advertising. Tesla owners are the ones spreading the gospel and fighting the FUD. As an early 2013 owner in Salt Lake City, I'm probably responsible for millions in sales, on top of the more than half a million I have spent myself. I don't know if I'm Tesla's biggest buyer in Utah, but I have to be among the top. So when I spend a lot of time on the phone, arguing with my delivery specialist, and then eventually the manager here, and I'm told that they won't consider the possibility that the test drive vehicle I bought with no discount (because after having sold my Model S I couldn't wait any longer for yet another VIN assignment and delay) could have had a nail in the tire from the test drives, that should be a huge red flag for everyone here. Personally, I am no longer considering buying another Tesla if Audi or Porsche can put out something decent in the next two years. You don't piss on your best clients.

.... we saw it the first time.