Service says $22k for new battery on 2012 Model S

[TwistedGray]

So Supercharging at more than 150 kW might be possible. We could find out for certain next weekend, assuming @Jason Bloomberg's battery is preconditioned and at the optimal SoC.

I've not seen 150kW at any charger even when my battery capacity was at or slightly below 20%, and I have the same pack as Jason (a few months sooner), fyi.

 

[MorrisonHiker]

I've not seen 150kW at any charger even when my battery capacity was at or slightly below 20%, and I have the same pack as Jason (a few months sooner), fyi.

I suppose there could be other limitations besides just the battery pack. Perhaps the wiring that @Rocky_H mentioned has been upgraded multiple times over the years.

 

[Droschke]

There is NO core discount, but there is a charge if you want to keep the battery.

$22k = new battery in your car and they keep the old battery

$22k + $15k (approx.) = new battery in your car and YOU keep the old battery*


*You can buy used batterypacks in the $12k +/- range, if you have some other project or endeavor you wish to embark upon.

Very interesting, thanks.

Even if we assume that the used battery is worth ~$10K, it looks like Tesla is pricing this new pack ~$32K then. I have heard their cost to make the pack is closer to $10K - a little bit over $100 per kWh. Leaving the cost of transportation and labor aside, it looks they are making a substantial profit on these new packs.

 

[sorka]

Hope not, as I just got the A revision in my P85DL

The 1350 amp battery wasn't even made until late 2014 so how did you get an A let alone one that has been upgraded to 1500 amps?

 

[sorka]

In the case of 1014116, the pack is a new configuration of 100kWh pack, as others have mentioned, with two modules removed, making it ~85kWh, 350VDC with the 90kWh chemistry (instead of the old 85kWh). I would say all 1014116 packs (A or B) are new at this time. The B just being the newer revision.

I believe the 1014116 pack being the replacement for the old 85kWh packs was reported first in Jan. 2020 with lots of good discussion in the thread below:

New 85kWH battery for my 2013 P85+

Got my original battery pack revision "B" (unsure of the part#) replaced over the weekend and just picked up my car. To my surprise, I now have a new battery showing a ~92% charge to be 265mi and according to the app, 100% is 288mi!!! I initially thought I got a 90kWH pack as a replacement...

teslamotorsclub.com

Interesting. And I was assuming the new 350v 85 could never a P85DL battery replacement but if it's still 1762 amps, then it can still output 450KW which matches an original 1500 amp 85 but NOT a 1600 amp V3 90 pack.

 

[sorka]

I am pretty sure the designator is a tied to the VIN? I have the same set-up as this individual (90kwh battery), and I don't recall it saying P90. I'll try to remember looking next time I "start" the car.

Others who've had 90s installed in their P85s DO report it saying P90.

 

[sorka]

There is NO core discount, but there is a charge if you want to keep the battery.

$22k = new battery in your car and they keep the old battery

$22k + $15k (approx.) = new battery in your car and YOU keep the old battery*


*You can buy used batterypacks in the $12k +/- range, if you have some other project or endeavor you wish to embark upon.

The core discount is $15K.

 

[krishna3812]

Very interesting, thanks.

Even if we assume that the used battery is worth ~$10K, it looks like Tesla is pricing this new pack ~$32K then. I have heard their cost to make the pack is closer to $10K - a little bit over $100 per kWh. Leaving the cost of transportation and labor aside, it looks they are making a substantial profit on these new packs.

Given their margin of 25-30% on new cars they sell, this doesn't make sense for current owner. Seems like they don't want old cars on road

 

[TwistedGray]

Very interesting, thanks.

Even if we assume that the used battery is worth ~$10K, it looks like Tesla is pricing this new pack ~$32K then. I have heard their cost to make the pack is closer to $10K - a little bit over $100 per kWh. Leaving the cost of transportation and labor aside, it looks they are making a substantial profit on these new packs.

$37,000 or so

Others who've had 90s installed in their P85s DO report it saying P90.

 

[Droschke]

Given their margin of 25-30% on new cars they sell, this doesn't make sense for current owner. Seems like they don't want old cars on road

That's for sure.

 

[rns-e]

The 1350 amp battery wasn't even made until late 2014 so how did you get an A let alone one that has been upgraded to 1500 amps?

My car was delivered march 2015 in the first batch of P85D's in Denmark. Later I had the Ludicrous upgrade and when my original pack shut down in january 2021 I got the 350V 85kWh 1014116A pack. The car still says P85D with a Ludicrous line under, I've not had a chance to see what the max amp draw is, but I would be very upset if it does not deliver the full kW of Ludicrous.

 

[rns-e]

I've not seen 150kW at any charger even when my battery capacity was at or slightly below 20%, and I have the same pack as Jason (a few months sooner), fyi.

I have the 350V 85 kWh version of that battery and in this charging session I never got above 115kW, top was 114.74kW with battery temperature between 36.14 and 44.73C. Charging from SoC 6% to 99%. Pretty disappointing.

 

[sorka]

My car was delivered march 2015 in the first batch of P85D's in Denmark. Later I had the Ludicrous upgrade and when my original pack shut down in january 2021 I got the 350V 85kWh 1014116A pack. The car still says P85D with a Ludicrous line under, I've not had a chance to see what the max amp draw is, but I would be very upset if it does not deliver the full kW of Ludicrous.

Please keep us updated.

 

[cduzz]

Very interesting, thanks.

Even if we assume that the used battery is worth ~$10K, it looks like Tesla is pricing this new pack ~$32K then. I have heard their cost to make the pack is closer to $10K - a little bit over $100 per kWh. Leaving the cost of transportation and labor aside, it looks they are making a substantial profit on these new packs.

That's a weird way to think of it.

A customer is paying for a fixed pack. The cost of the repair is $22k where the repair happens to replace all the parts of the pack. No reason to think you'd ever get to keep the old part.

If you take your car to Gruber and they fix it by cutting a wire for $5000 it isn't a $20k repair because they didn't give you a broken pack in addition to the one they fixed, even if they'd be happy to sell you a broken pack for $15k.

You want a fixed pack? You pay $22k. If you want a fixed pack *and* a broken pack, that's a different transaction.

 

[Droschke]

That's a weird way to think of it.

A customer is paying for a fixed pack. The cost of the repair is $22k where the repair happens to replace all the parts of the pack. No reason to think you'd ever get to keep the old part.

If you take your car to Gruber and they fix it by cutting a wire for $5000 it isn't a $20k repair because they didn't give you a broken pack in addition to the one they fixed, even if they'd be happy to sell you a broken pack for $15k.

You want a fixed pack? You pay $22k. If you want a fixed pack *and* a broken pack, that's a different transaction.

Very weird.

 

[TwistedGray]

That's a weird way to think of it.

A customer is paying for a fixed pack. The cost of the repair is $22k where the repair happens to replace all the parts of the pack. No reason to think you'd ever get to keep the old part.

If you take your car to Gruber and they fix it by cutting a wire for $5000 it isn't a $20k repair because they didn't give you a broken pack in addition to the one they fixed, even if they'd be happy to sell you a broken pack for $15k.

You want a fixed pack? You pay $22k. If you want a fixed pack *and* a broken pack, that's a different transaction.

I'll disagree with that (part of that sentiment).

The customer is paying for a NEW pack ($22k). They do not "fix" the pack; they install a brand new replacement pack (look at the labor time charged - there is no fixing).

Now, if for $22k Tesla goes into the back and removes each cell and replaces them, that's fixing...we're talking about replacing

...perhaps semantics? Except you are comparing a replacement (Tesla) vs a repair (Gruber, etc).

 

[krishna3812]

That's a weird way to think of it.

A customer is paying for a fixed pack. The cost of the repair is $22k where the repair happens to replace all the parts of the pack. No reason to think you'd ever get to keep the old part.

If you take your car to Gruber and they fix it by cutting a wire for $5000 it isn't a $20k repair because they didn't give you a broken pack in addition to the one they fixed, even if they'd be happy to sell you a broken pack for $15k.

You want a fixed pack? You pay $22k. If you want a fixed pack *and* a broken pack, that's a different transaction.

Really weird how you saw that.

Tesla sold old pack to customer with car and I guess they don't have any say in what customer does with that pack.

When customer asks for new pack, tesla is saying cost is ~$37k with no trade in or ~$22k with trade-in of old pack.

 

[TwistedGray]

Really weird how you saw that.

Tesla sold old pack to customer with car and I guess they don't have any say in what customer does with that pack.

When customer asks for new pack, tesla is saying cost is ~$37k with no trade in or ~$22k with trade-in of old pack.

Could you share the $37k quote that you have from Tesla?

 

[ucmndd]

Edit: Sorry. I thought I was responding to someone else. Disregard.

 

[Droschke]

Could you share the $37k quote that you have from Tesla?

I only can guess @krishna3812 is just reacting to (referencing) what you had earlier mentioned:

$22k + $15k (approx.) = new battery in your car and YOU keep the old battery