WestCoastP85D
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It's NOT your fault. We have laws in this country. I bought the same line.... one would call this deception. Certainly the car was not what was described. It's not a communications problem... it was intentionally marketed this way, for obvious reasons.
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What legal options should we be discussing? Should we each pursue or should there be some class-action route? The more I think about it... the worse I feel about this. I keep thinking of my sales rep saying over and over again..."691 instant horsepower... the full band....so much broader HP curve across the spectrum, all over 600 hp... blah blah blah. " One would feel this to be intentional deception.
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People want to support Tesla and what they are doing. I sure have. But this does not feel honest. One cannot help but feel totally duped..... if one would inflate HP numbers of a simple Ford Mustang by 50%, one would sell a lot of them.... until the backlash. What is our path forward?
My situation is a bit different. I owned a P85 at the time of the P85D reveal event. The P85 worked fine for me, but I wanted better top end performance. At the P85D reveal, Musk touted the P85D as having significantly more horsepower. So I placed the order as soon as possible after the event and figured that even though I'd take a hit on the P85 to P85D upgrade, I'd get the top end power I wanted. I took delivery of the car at the end of December 2014 and it was clear that the top end power didn't match expectations. Now, we find out the numbers Musk used at that reveal event were theoretical.
It was certainly my fault for trusting Musk and for buying a car before test driving it. I actually understand the defense that some raise that those who test drove the car knew what they were getting, without regard to what the HP number was. But for those of us who made the decision to upgrade to the P85D based on that reveal event and had some of the first deliveries, I think there's a justifiable sense of being taken for a ride (so to speak). I would not have upgraded to the P85D if the real HP numbers were given at that event, as I would have had a pretty strong hint that the top end acceleration wasn't going to have the type of improvement that the claimed 691 hp implied (and I understand that this is in part marketing hype, but when you are told there's a 50% jump in HP, it's pretty logical to expect a significant improvement in across the board performance).
Again, my fault for trusting the company to deliver what Musk was selling at that event. I could have waited for production to start before placing the order to make sure I liked what was being sold. I learned my lesson...and Tesla lost a customer for future cars (a customer who spent about $250,000 on their products in a 12 month period).
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What legal options should we be discussing? Should we each pursue or should there be some class-action route? The more I think about it... the worse I feel about this. I keep thinking of my sales rep saying over and over again..."691 instant horsepower... the full band....so much broader HP curve across the spectrum, all over 600 hp... blah blah blah. " One would feel this to be intentional deception.
Many months ago I was in the camp of "I've very satisfied with the power, and & don't care about the HP complaints", but, after seeing the numbers from wk057 & sorka (& probably others), that was when I realized I was duped. Actually, I'm still happy with the performance, but now feel very deceived. Here's my thought process, I used the Tesla reported numbers as gospel (since all prior numbers were met/beat), so I used the phony numbers to compare car A to car B (when I ordered my car, in Oct 2014)). As I said above:
Should I buy car A or car B?
per Tesla specs; car A: P85D - 691 hp, 0-60 in 3.2 secs, $125k
per Tesla specs; car B: 85D - 417 hp, 0-60 in 5.2 secs, $105K
I didn't specifically care about the number, but Tesla said car A has 274 more horsepower (& Elon said it has 50% more hp). I used these numbers to decide on my purchase, since we couldn't test drive the car for over 3 months.
Now we know this (finally):
per Tesla specs; car A: P85D - 463 hp, 0-60 in 3.1 secs (with roll-out)
per Tesla specs; car B: 85D - 417 hp, 0-60 in 4.2 secs (without roll-out)
I'm not saying I wouldn't buy car A again (after driving both), but since they wouldn't give use the "real" numbers (for a whole year) I based my purchase decision on their specs.
How many people here have bought 3 new Tesla's? I spoke with my dollars and in the future I probably won't, and many people here think I'm wrong? it's my fault? I should've known? I'm a whiner?
What ever happened to truth in advertising? When did the Tesla mission go from sustainable cars to misleading people to buy a P85D (well, to me that happened on Oct 10, 2014).
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People want to support Tesla and what they are doing. I sure have. But this does not feel honest. One cannot help but feel totally duped..... if one would inflate HP numbers of a simple Ford Mustang by 50%, one would sell a lot of them.... until the backlash. What is our path forward?
Well said! It's surprising to me how people still defend Tesla and blame consumers for Tesla's misleading information.