Zaphod
Galaxy President (former)
It does, but that is not how the system is suppose to work.This is a really long thread, but I thought the Model 3 had emergency braking. If so, why didn't the car stop itself under any circumstance?
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It does, but that is not how the system is suppose to work.This is a really long thread, but I thought the Model 3 had emergency braking. If so, why didn't the car stop itself under any circumstance?
The OP seems to have left, perhaps we can let this thread die a nice, humane death.....
Good point, except that the Prius has a chime that keeps dinging while pressing the accelerator when in reverse. Many Prius owners disable the chime because they find it annoying. I didn't for this very reason, (It doesn't chime when in creep). Another time, my wife was driving and overshot the crosswalk at a stoplight. She put the car in reverse to clear the crosswalk and inadvertently left it in reverse! The reverse chime saved the day when she gently pressed the accelerator at the green light.Thank God you were in creep, so you were only creeping albiet in the wrong direction. So you had enough time to realize what is happening and hit the brakes.
Had you not been in creep, you would have pressed the accelerator to start moving, and moved rapidly in the wrong direction and hit the dumpster.
'Creep saved the day' should be your lesson.
Between the driver's foot and the drive motor exists a million miles of code. Our cars are computer based. Because of that simple fact, the car can accelerate without the operator pressing the pedal. No car maker, not Tesla, Toyota or any other will ever admit it if such a software problem exists. If Tesla discovers one they will quietly download a software update and fix it. But we will never know about it. The best thing to do if your car takes off without you telling it to, if you live to tell the tale, is file a complaint with NHTSA. If enough complaints come in, its possible they can do something. Bad publicity alone will get an automaker moving to some degree. Posting on a forum is good just to let people know its happening. Thank you AZM3, and good luck.
Your reverse chime will not save you another day, when you put it in 'D' although you were intending to reverse out of a parking spot.Good point, except that the Prius has a chime that keeps dinging while pressing the accelerator when in reverse. Many Prius owners disable the chime because they find it annoying. I didn't for this very reason, (It doesn't chime when in creep). Another time, my wife was driving and overshot the crosswalk at a stoplight. She put the car in reverse to clear the crosswalk and inadvertently left it in reverse! The reverse chime saved the day when she gently pressed the accelerator at the green light.
I don't believe the model 3 has a reverse chime.
What does being able to afford an expensive car have to do with intelligence or accidentally pushing the wrong pedal? As long as there have been expensive cars there have been morons with more money than sense buying them and doing stupid things in them.Yeah, this is what gets me. Not so much here, but on more juvenile sites such as Inside EVs, there is the AUTOMATIC assumption that the driver (who was smart enough to afford $50-100 grand), confused the brake and accelerator.
So I'm not afraid to be honest on here. Yesterday I was pulling out of a parking space, going back and forth into D and R to maneuver, and somehow, I pushed the go pedal, while wanting to stop. I can't explain it. I've driven a manual transmission car my entire life. I stopped it a half second later and I didn't really cover any ground, but I get it now
COMPLETELY off topic, I apologize, but here's an antidote: https://www.amazon.com/Free-Range-Raise-Self-Reliant-Children-Without/dp/0470574755<SNIP>
(I have long list of other opinions too about kids nowadays being raised too safe, and then there's problems when they have to face to actual world. (and get off my lawn and get a haircut while you're at it, etc.)
The seat has a sensor in it so it knows when pressure is relieved, i.e. someone getting out, and automatically put the car in park. It is smart enough to save you from yourself.One more: I have yet to train myself to put my Model S in park before I get out and walk away. I still fail do it about once a month. Fortunately the car somehow is detecting that I do this and putting itself in park right as I get out, just as the alarm starts beeping and the panic sets in. Which habits die hard, and which ones happily fly away? I've never, ever driven a car from which it is safe to walk away without putting it in park, nor can I recall ever having done that. Why would I start pretending it is safe to do so now, and do so repeatedly?
Your reverse chime will not save you another day, when you put it in 'D' although you were intending to reverse out of a parking spot.
Creep will save you from that situation.
I am reconsidering my position. I think I will leave creep on for several months until we are both 100% comfortable with our first 100% BEV. Then I may consider turning chill-off, regen-high, and creep-off gradually to see if those options are preferable for us.There are enough differences between EVs and ICE Vehicle driving characteristics, that negative transference is an issue if you swap between the two. Especially if someone is primarily and AT ICE driver, and only occasionally drives the EV. I highly recommend you make the transition as easy as possible for the driver who only rarely drives the Tesla:
- Chill mode - ON
- Regen - LOW
- Creep - ON
I’m making a separate “Guest Driver” profile, and ensuring these settings are there for my wife’s profile. KISS.
I am reconsidering my position. I think I will leave creep on for several months until we are both 100% comfortable with our first 100% BEV. Then I may consider turning chill-off, regen-high, and creep-off gradually to see if those options are preferable for us.
Despite the repetitiveness of this thread, it has been very helpful to me.
Yeah, I definitely fall into the second camp. Since the car is set to auto-hold, it won't start moving until I press the accelerator anyway. My garage is a tight fit and I park with my motorcycle in front of the Model X. I've found that the accelerator provides such fine control over movement that I can control within an inch where I want to stop. I'm sure creep offers just as much fine control using the brake.I know Tesla Owners fall into two camps concerning Creep mode. When I initially setup my Model S I tried it with Creep Off and immediately learned that when pulling into my 2 car garage which has plenty of space I did not feel comfortable using the throttle to ease it into position. After stopping the vehicle I activated Creep On mode and have never looked back. At first I thought with Creep Off there might be a stronger regenerative braking force but when that did not turn out to be true I could see zero advantage to having Creep Off.
I get it. I'm an older guy and my coordination is not as good as it once was. Also I just don't trust myself as much to not uck up the simplest thing such as parking in my own garage. I have learned that an abundance of caution never hurts. I still find myself doing some boneheaded driving things even after 40 years of driving.Yeah, I definitely fall into the second camp. Since the car is set to auto-hold, it won't start moving until I press the accelerator anyway. My garage is a tight fit and I park with my motorcycle in front of the Model X. I've found that the accelerator provides such fine control over movement that I can control within an inch where I want to stop. I'm sure creep offers just as much fine control using the brake.
Personally, I don't think there's any merit at all to creep on or creep off being safer. I think it's just a matter of personal preference. I prefer a manual transmission and creep off is a more familiar experience. I think personal preference and paying attention is more important than any generic serve-all setting. When I'm parking, 6 inches of travel determines if the foot peg on my motorcycle ends up through my bumper, so all I'm paying attention to at that point is parking.
I would agree with that with the caveat that something unexpected happening as a result of vehicle creep is almost always due to inattention rather than inaccurate pedal application.and somewhere in this thread, multiple times, people pointed out that SUAs happen in all sorts of cars that naturally creep forward.
I think the problem is that people who are smart enough, are, perhaps unfortunately, still human. We ALL do oopses here and there, sometimes even more "stupid" than confusing a brake and fun pedal.Yeah, this is what gets me. Not so much here, but on more juvenile sites such as Inside EVs, there is the AUTOMATIC assumption that the driver (who was smart enough to afford $50-100 grand), confused the brake and accelerator.
I would say true, although the brake/fun pedal confusion can happen even if someone is NOT a moron -- I don't think your statement applies in this case.What does being able to afford an expensive car have to do with intelligence or accidentally pushing the wrong pedal? As long as there have been expensive cars there have been morons with more money than sense buying them and doing stupid things in them.
This, I have to agree with.It has happened to me too, in multiple cars. Sometimes you have a brain fart. Could happen to anyone. What happens next is less consistent. Some people have the calmness of mind to not freak out and stomp down on whatever pedal. Some people don't. And this shouldn't come as a surprise. Dexterity, coordination, etc come at all different levels. Some people are amazing at basketball. Some people are awesome at video games. And some people are awesome at handling cars. And some ppl aren't so good at those things.