Supercharger - Las Vegas, NV (High Roller at LINQ)

[darth_vad3r]

So far, we're on the same page.

We’re not on the same page, because 76 kW is more than an urban supercharger’s 72kW limit that you said he was at

That is strange. I always thought the Model S/X had at least 100 kW charging rate.

They can go over 100. Are you reading before posting today Bob? Nobody said they can’t hit 100, they can’t use full 250 is all.

 

[bwilson4web]

Per this source: Find Us | Tesla

Las Vegas, NV - Linq High Roller Supercharger
The Linq Promenade 3545 South Las Vegas Boulevard Las Vegas, NV 89109
Driving Directions
Roadside Assistance
(877) 798-3752
Charging
24 Superchargers, available 24/7, up to 250kW​

It has a "Restricted" listing in "PlugShare" so no user charging reports but great photos. However, there is a nice write-up about activation:
Viva Las Vegas: Tesla Launches First V3 Superchargers In Sin City

Since it came online in the past 3-4 days, there maybe bugs to work out. Hopefully we'll see user reports logged into Plugshare:
PlugShare - Find Electric Vehicle Charging Locations Near You
My past experience with PlugShare has been the reported changes are made the next business day.

FYI, my SR+M3 shows vacillating, peak charge rates of 100-104 kW. I'm not worried about others seeing some variation in their peak charging rate. It usually traces back to a 'sampling error'. But since the observed charging rate is close enough to an "Urban" SuperCharger, well if it "quacks like a duck."

Bob Wilson

 

[darth_vad3r]

LOL, this location (the “first real new V3 location”) has been all over the ‘news’ (this site news, other EVs site news, twitter), this week so everyone should know from the title “V3 supercharger in Vegas” that this is the one we’re talking about.

I guess they consider the first two CA V3 locations as “test” or “beta” locations or retrofits and this is the first actual new V3 location.

since the observed charging rate is close enough to an "Urban" SuperCharger, well if it "quacks like a duck."

It didn’t quack though Bob, it was like a normally loud goose honking quietly and you said “almost as quiet as a duck - must be a duck!”. You will not see 76 kW at a 72 kW Urban supercharger. Vacillating of 1 kW is usually because of small fluctuations and the underlying figure being close to a rounding point, like 103.45 - 103.55 fluctuations being quite small but the rate in the display flickering between 103 and 104.

 

[JulienW]

You were at an "urban" supercharger. Snatch enough charge to reach a big one and you're set.

Bob Wilson

Anyone who confuses an Urban with a beta V3 should have their Tesla credentials removed.

LOL, this location (the “first real new V3 location”) has been all over the ‘news’ (this site news, other EVs site news, twitter), this week so everyone should know from the title “V3 supercharger in Vegas” that this is the one we’re talking about.

I guess they consider the first two CA V3 locations as “test” or “beta” locations or retrofits and this is the first actual new V3 location.....

Also the ones in CA are just a couple of "test" stalls added at V2.5 SC locations. Looks like the Vegas is the first "real" V3 station. I believe Elon said V3 would start rolling out in Q1 so this is also probably more of a test/beta of a FULL V3 station. I remember hearing/reading that Gigafactory 2 was going to produce the V3 equipment and probably isn't fully tooled up yet.

Also not sure of the relation but looks like there is a shortage of pedestals. We have a couple of sites in Atlanta that are waiting on the pedestals and think this is a system wide problem.

 

[Chuq]

has been all over the ‘news’ (this site news, other EVs site news, twitter)

Yep - I've just requested that mods merge this with the main thread - Supercharger - Las Vegas, NV (Las Vegas Strip)

 

[Zoomit]

So far only Model 3 can take advantage of the step up in power from V2 to V3. S & X still benefit from a V3 location since power isn’t shared between stalls the way it is in a typical configuration.

There’s a fair amount of confusion around which cars benefit from using a V3 Supercharger station. All cars have the potential to benefit from the lack of power sharing between stalls. Model 3 LR cars below 52% SoC have the ability to charge over 150kW on V3. Model S/X with the recent raven update also have the ability to charge above 150kW, up to 200kW.

In the future, it’s very likely the 3 MR and SR/+ cars will be able to take advantage of >150kW charge rates.

 

[bwilson4web]

Anyone who confuses an Urban with a beta V3 should have their Tesla credentials removed.

Fair enough as I can read with understanding and that is not a universal skill:
V3 supercharger in Vegas

I thought I was going to get a little bit of a boost but I still was charging at 72-76 KW so it took over an hour to charge and still wasn’t all the way charged.​

So looking for Tesla Urban charger descriptions:
Tesla unveils new 'urban' Supercharger with a slower dedicated charge rate - Electrek

Near as I can tell from the OP, they got "Urban" charger performance, not even basic SuperCharger performance. But there is another, Plugshare report of 195 kW:

iambronsen - July 20, 2019
Tesla Model 3
Pull up supercharging spot info in your Tesla map and code should appear. Didn't hit 250 kW but batt probably wasn't preconditioned. Top was 195kW -- checkin created before location officially marked open​

Regardless, in 24-48 hours we should start seeing more user reports of what happens at those SuperCharger stations. Regardless, another good excuse to visit Las Vegas.

Bob Wilson

 

[JulienW]

Fair enough as I can read with understanding and that is not a universal skill....

....

What the hell is happing in the lower right of the picture? Looks like a J-1772 plug glued to the front door.

 

[Saghost]

What the hell is happing in the lower right of the picture?
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Really had me wondering for a minute. I think there's a Level 2 charger on the right side of that car, and they've stretched the cord over the hood of their car to plug in - I think you can see it running across...

 

[Saghost]

The concept is cool with solar helping with the power but the place is a joke for X/S owners. I thought I was going to get a little bit of a boost but I still was charging at 72-76 KW so it took over an hour to charge and still wasn’t all the way charged.

Well, that's really disappointing. There are a bunch of variables that affect charging speed, but I was hoping that the liquid cooled cables and dedicated cabinets would reduce them a lot in the heat and you'd consistently get the ~150 kW peak speeds at least (when the car is ready and the pack is in the right SoC range, of course.)

 

[bwilson4web]

Well, that's really disappointing. There are a bunch of variables that affect charging speed, but I was hoping that the liquid cooled cables and dedicated cabinets would reduce them a lot in the heat and you'd consistently get the ~150 kW peak speeds at least (when the car is ready and the pack is in the right SoC range, of course.)

Not to worry as there have been two owner reports at this SuperCharger. One reports "urban" charger performance and the one in PlugShare reports "195 kW" which well above the usual 120 kW station performance:

• One report 72-76 kW
• One report 195 kW

Another good reason for visiting Las Vegas.

Bob Wilson

 

[Freerster]

My point for this post was that S/X owners don’t benefit from the 250 KW power. I went there with 20% left on the battery and it was preconditioned. I started out at 76 and went down from there. I even unplugged and plugged it in a couple of times and even went to a different stall without any improvements in speed. There were only 6 others charging. I asked the others what they were charging at 2 of the 3’s were charging at 125 and the S/X were charging around the same as I was. The second point I was making was don’t charge for more then an hour or they will charge for parking. The third point was if you need a charge there is a supercharger 3 miles away that I charged at over 100 KW all the time. I just moved from Vegas to Austin 6 months ago so I just wanted to see the new V3 supercharger was like and I as an owner of an X was not impressed. Forth point was if you have a 3 make sure you have the updated software so you can take advantage of the speed. Oh and don’t get me started on Austin’s supercharging for a city that has a pretty high per capita of Tesla to population they only have 1 supercharger with 8 stalls.

 

[bwilson4web]

Did you let Tesla know with a complaint via your Tesla account?

If so, let us know their response.

Bob Wilson

 

[Freerster]

No I didn’t. This post wasn’t a complaint more of a information post. Although I could have done without paying for parking but I guess in an early post others have to pay for parking. This was the first time I’ve ran into paying to park to charge. I am just glad that I have free lifetime supercharging or I could be paying just as much to charge and park as I would to fill up my gas tank.

 

[Big Earl]

Not to worry as there have been two owner reports at this SuperCharger. One reports "urban" charger performance and the one in PlugShare reports "195 kW" which well above the usual 120 kW station performance:

• One report 72-76 kW
• One report 195 kW

Another good reason for visiting Las Vegas.

Bob Wilson

If I arrive at 98% and get a 10 kW charge rate, does that make it a Level 2 duck?

 

[bwilson4web]

If I arrive at 98% and get a 10 kW charge rate, does that make it a Level 2 duck?

Go to the charger and make a PlugShare report. Over time, others will make their reports too. That is the beauty of PlugShare, user reports. If you have the time, circle the block and ‘quack.’

Bob Wilson

 

[bwilson4web]

No I didn’t. This post wasn’t a complaint more of a information post. . . .

Well I am planning a trip in the Fall to the West coast to visit distant relatives, I’ll make sure to try and replicate your ‘informational’ post. Do you think I (or anyone else) will?

Bob Wilson

 

[darth_vad3r]

Go to the charger and make a PlugShare report. Over time, others will make their reports too. That is the beauty of PlugShare, user reports. If you have the time, circle the block and ‘quack.’

Bob Wilson

Bob, are you trolling or just not reading?

 

[bwilson4web]

This is the most recent posting.

No I didn’t. This post wasn’t a complaint more of a information post.

Then someone offered:

Bob, are you trolling or just not reading?

There is a difference between reading and understanding. We know there is an active, anti-Tesla effort that includes false and fraudulent postings. So what do you call an 'information' post here without lifting a finger to share the problem with Tesla?

If there is a problem with that Las Vegas SuperCharger, I want it fixed before our trip out West. But the claimed "information" post suggests they are willing to spread their opinion here (perhaps misleading some?) without making even the slightest effort to let Tesla know about it.

• Are their fingers broke?
• Do they have a Tesla account?
• Do they even have a Tesla?

It is as if someone owns something but somehow thinks (or claims) they can not be bothered to report a problem.

Bob Wilson

 

[EfficientWatts]

This is the most recent posting.

Then someone offered:

There is a difference between reading and understanding. We know there is an active, anti-Tesla effort that includes false and fraudulent postings. So what do you call an 'information' post here without lifting a finger to share the problem with Tesla?

If there is a problem with that Las Vegas SuperCharger, I want it fixed before our trip out West. But the claimed "information" post suggests they are willing to spread their opinion here without making even the slightest effort to let Tesla know about it.

• Are their fingers broke?
• Do they have a Tesla account?
• Do they even have a Tesla?

It is as if someone owns something but somehow thinks (or claims) they can not be bothered to report a problem.

Bob Wilson

You posting that this is an "urban" supercharger (in that it is a 72kW limit) has caused a lot more misinformation and FUD than the other person posted. The OP could have experienced that level of charge even at a V2 charger due to SOC, conditions, etc. Low power is not a new issue with Supercharging. By saying so you are also implying that Tesla is straight up lying about the deployment of V3 superchargers. You did walk it back a little but maybe you should clarify that.