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Supercharging rates go WAY up!
- Thread starter iwannam3
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So far there's little that is sustainable about Tesla. The unique thing about Tesla was that it captured the interest of a broad spectrum of potential clients, those who wanted performance, those who wanted a lower TCO and those who wanted to feel better by getting behind some random "cause" or "mission". Even with all of these segments in place, they failed to build a sustainable business so far. Should any of these demand pillars fall, there're done, i.m.o., and I think this "it's cheaper to run than a gas car" is the most important one of all, because it resonates with everyone.
Rather than pull this fast one, I think they'd be better served by focusing on stabilizing what they have. Yes trim all the accumulated "fat" (as despicable as letting go of just-hired people is), put some freakin' software together (no need to build anything, there are plenty of us on the sides with ready-to-deploy solutions that can help enormously) and help everyone in the organization talk to each other and work together such that delivering a car does not take months and having it fixed actually happens in whatever time it takes to perform the labor, rather than endlessly waiting for parts and such. Screw the 35K car, if they can't build one that is not crap at 55K, there's no reason to believe that one at 35K would be decent. Make the best Mercedes competitor at 50K and sell it to the entire world. The 35K buyer is too price sensitive anyway and Tesla is not quite a replacement for a real car yet. It would surely look a lot closer to a true alternative if the 35K buyer could justify it by saying that it costs less to run in the long run. Taking that away from them (even if it's just perception, since most charging is indeed cheaper 'cause it's done at home), will not increase demand for the 35K car, it may actually decrease it.
Dr. J
Active Member
Texas is a cost per minute state, which I think is mandated by electricity regulation. The Tesla website says it's $.14/minute at/below 60 kW and $.28/minute above 60 kW. My 2018 charges were at $.10 and $.20. I can live with that--but I had better see a Supercharger in Arkadelphia, AR and in Clayton, NM in 2019!
The cheapest gasoline in my area is about $1.80/gallon. But the problem is, I can't put gas in my Model 3 LR, so it's moot. And charging at home is still $.081/kWh, so cheap-cheap-cheap.
Garlan Garner
Banned
Oh yes....Our Illinois SC's have always been about 2 - 3 times higher than residential rates.
I wonder how high the costs are going to be after yesterday's price increase.
I can see urban dwellers without a home solution will be unhappy. Most everyone else benefits. I would hesitate to take a Tesla trip to the Bay Area because of bad current and even worse future Supercharging overcrowding.Just checked the prices on the map here in the South Bay Area. The chargers are now $0.35/kWh, Cupertino and San Mateo are even $0.36.
Will less apartment dwellers buy Teslas? Perhaps but that may be one unfortunate consequence of making the Supercharger concept work for the masses.
Nope. You have to look at individual Superchargers in your car. $.14 and $.28 are averages as the bullet points above the rates on the website note.Texas is a cost per minute state, which I think is mandated by electricity regulation. The Tesla website says it's $.14/minute at/below 60 kW and $.28/minute above 60 kW. My 2018 charges were at $.10 and $.20. I can live with that--but I had better see a Supercharger in Arkadelphia, AR and in Clayton, NM in 2019!
The cheapest gasoline in my area is about $1.80/gallon. But the problem is, I can't put gas in my Model 3 LR, so it's moot. And charging at home is still $.081/kWh, so cheap-cheap-cheap.
Most people do most of their charging at home or other slow charger installations, Superchargers are to eliminate range anxiety and make Teslas fully functional personal vehicles that can practically be used on long trips. Without the Supercharging network, Tesla would be in the same bin with all the compliance cars intended only for local travel, with it, they very successfully compete against ICE vehicles.
Currently, Tesla is trying to become a long term viable company producing many more vehicles. To appeal to a wider customer base to make that work, they need to scale up the Supercharger network (and Service Centers) for both volume and coverage. TANSTAAFL.
Currently, Tesla is trying to become a long term viable company producing many more vehicles. To appeal to a wider customer base to make that work, they need to scale up the Supercharger network (and Service Centers) for both volume and coverage. TANSTAAFL.
I wouldn't go to that extent.... but I do see this as a mute point now when trying to sale someone on Tesla. Unfortunately, you can NOT sale a EV without convenient charging infrastructure. That is a blanket fact when considering majority of purchasers decision making.
By raising the rates to what almost seem extraordinarily high, you run the risk of selling less cars and helping sale the Hybrid model which is gas on road trips ev for daily commute or best of both worlds.
Tesla did not become mass market popular because they made it expensive and inconvenient to charge.. they made it to mass market because fast charging was free and made up for the initial inconvenience.
Merrill
Merrill
You forget that this is what Elon’s goal was, make everyone else come up with electric vehicles. I do not believe that the supercharging network was their only advantage, how about the most beautiful electric car made, how about software upgrades in your garage, how about getting you car repaired at home, how about no oil changes and minimal maintenance. The Japanese took over because they sold cars in this country at below cost to get market share. Do not get me wrong they make some very reliable vehicles, you should buy one.
So, living in Saskatchewan, how long does it take to get to Waterton Lakes with your camping gear by mass transportation or bike?
Uncle Paul
Well-Known Member
While I smile thinking that my FSL Model X just went up in value, I think the real reason that Tesla is raising their charging rates is so that they can borrow against this income stream to help them roll out the Model Y, Pickup, Semi and Roadster, as well update existing Superchargers to the V3 higher speed chargers.
Perhaps the faster charging option of V3 will be more valuable to travelers than getting the cheapest pricing. Perhaps Tesla will even multi tier their Superchargers depending on selected charging speeds, kinda like gas stations that charge different prices for regular, mid-grade and premium fuels.
They own the entire Supercharger network, so are able to leverage it to their best benefit.
I imaging that in the future they also could re-install some free Supercharger access to promote additional sales from time to time.
Believe that they have a master plan strategy that will allow them to roll out even more Supercharger locations while being financially prudent.
Perhaps the faster charging option of V3 will be more valuable to travelers than getting the cheapest pricing. Perhaps Tesla will even multi tier their Superchargers depending on selected charging speeds, kinda like gas stations that charge different prices for regular, mid-grade and premium fuels.
They own the entire Supercharger network, so are able to leverage it to their best benefit.
I imaging that in the future they also could re-install some free Supercharger access to promote additional sales from time to time.
Believe that they have a master plan strategy that will allow them to roll out even more Supercharger locations while being financially prudent.
I have ridden there. It takes me about 2 1/2 days on my full loaded Rocky Sherpa.
But then I ride all year round, even in -35. Over 14,000km last year.
Merrill
Merrill
Do not come to California to get gas, $3.15 for regular.Texas is a cost per minute state, which I think is mandated by electricity regulation. The Tesla website says it's $.14/minute at/below 60 kW and $.28/minute above 60 kW. My 2018 charges were at $.10 and $.20. I can live with that--but I had better see a Supercharger in Arkadelphia, AR and in Clayton, NM in 2019!
The cheapest gasoline in my area is about $1.80/gallon. But the problem is, I can't put gas in my Model 3 LR, so it's moot. And charging at home is still $.081/kWh, so cheap-cheap-cheap.
Because they're all *sugar*. This is the type of comment commonly made by those who do NOT rely on public transportation or by those who otherwise bike to work 'cause they have the extra hour since there's no toddler waiting to be picked up at daycare and such.
If life really worked the way some envision it, we'd be extinct in no time.
Kant.Ing
Member
When my apartment's rent went up $100 per month, I cut down other spending or save a meal at a fine restaurant. When my gasoline cost went up $30 a month, I spent less on the car's maintenance and tires or used cheaper hotels on our road trips.
In Los Angeles? Good luck. It will take me 20 mins to get to a train station and two trains ride with a transfer to get to work costing 2.5 hours vs driving for 45 minutes one way.
Not true. This would be an accurate statement until a couple years ago when Tesla decided to try to at least partially meet needs of urban dwellers with no charging solution. Of course, unless fees are jacked way up, urban chargers can’t be built fast enough.
The new rate structure hits every Supercharger site I think, but appears to hit urban sites more heavily. I’m glad I don’t have to face the challenges of trying to own a car in a dense urban location like San Francisco or NYC. But I don’t see how Tesla can ever meet the needs of those folks so I think it will be increasingly more challenging for them as sales accelerate and urban Supercharger needs cannot possibly keep up.
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