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Tesla autopilot HW3
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diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
It's implied in the text that says that your car comes with the necessary hardware for FSD.
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
Because the only "certain" you speak of is from Elon's mouth and twitter account and nothing from Tesla. Therein lies why some of us are still a bit concerned until we see it in our car.
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
Where is it implied?
Autopilot
Enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically for other vehicles and pedestrians within its lane.
Option Selected$3,000
$4,000 if added after delivery
Full Self-Driving Capability
- Navigate on Autopilot: automatic driving from highway on-ramp to off-ramp including interchanges and overtaking slower cars.
- Autopark: both parallel and perpendicular spaces.
- Summon: your parked car will come find you anywhere in a parking lot. Really.
- Recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs.
- Automatic driving on city streets.
Requires Autopilot
$7,000 upgrade if added after delivery
The current features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The future use of these features without supervision is dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving features evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.
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They removed all the text that referred to the "we have the hardware for fsd now in the cars"
The problem is time. What happens to all those people who leased or all the people who bought the car then might end up seeing some form of L3/L4 near the end of the their car's life?
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
That order page is selling software features. Software requires hardware. If those features require a certain hardware to work properly, then logically the cars would need the hardware too in order to make the features work. So if I pay for feature X, I am also paying for the hardware to give me feature X. So, yes it's implied.
Besides, that order page is for new customers who are buying a new car that will probably already come with AP3 installed so the hardware upgrade would not apply to them. The page is going to list features. It is not going to mention hardware upgrades that only apply to past customers.
The text was on the page the last time I checked. Not sure why the text was removed but it does not change the fact that Tesla has made a commitment to AP2 owners to give them the necessary upgrade in order to deliver the features they paid for.
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
Sure, and I have great empathy for them (part of why I like the idea that FSD follows the owner if you trade in a Tesla for a Tesla). I was specifically speaking to the HW >3 scenario.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Shake your head all you want but Tesla has said multiple times that they will do the AP3 upgrade for cars that need it for FSD. You can choose to be skeptical until you actually see it happen, fine. But Tesla has made it quite clear that they are committed to doing the upgrade.
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
Soda Popinski
Member
The website is for sales, and that kind of detail seems beyond the scope of the website. It would be "confusing."
Clearly Musk has Tweeted this several times. I understand Tesla filed specific paperwork that Musk's Tweets are also official Tesla public announcements. This may have been a mistake in hindsight, but there it is.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
You know the sources. Musk has tweeted it like 3-4 times now and the AP development team mentioned it during one of the earnings call. It's been referenced on this forum many times.
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
Soda Popinski
Member
Are you saying that's not a source, or you don't believe him? Those are two different things.
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
Neither \i/ I have lost count at how many things he has "promised" as Tesla's CET that it is either laughable or cryable depending on your outlook.
Ah. Yeah, moving FSD over to a new car might be a solution for some, but better than nothing I guess.
read that carefully. What Elon is confirming is that YES, this was discussed at the webcast.
Read what Fred is asking. IF there's a retrofit program people would get HW3.
So.. it does not confirm hw3 upgrades for all. It's all rather carefully worded to extract money from gullible people now.
That's not what confirmed.
No you don't. This was not promised.
because it's not certain.
No it's not.
it's also not certain IF it will be offered at all, there are no solid guarantees of this either.
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