Tesla BEV Competition Developments

[RobStark]

Bolt will live on.

After a ~2 year hiatus.

With LFP pack.

That should allow a sub $30k price for the customer and profits for GM. And the dealer.

 

[navguy12]

The obsession with aerodynamics has allowed Hyundai to extract a lot of range from the car. According to Natural Resources Canada, in rearwheel drive form, an IONIQ 6 Long Range, equipped with 18-inch wheels, will cover up to 581 kilometres on a single charge.
This is a huge number, especially in the price bracket of $55,000 to $67,000.

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[mongo]

Nikola posts negative Q3 revenue

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720065561957171235

 

[navguy12]

Where the EX30 does excel compared with Tesla is in its carbon footprint. The EX30 is made from 25 per cent recycled aluminum, 17 per cent recycled plastic and 17 per cent recycled steel. And the automaker says the overall lifetime carbon footprint of this vehicle is 25 per cent less than any other Volvo EV.

(Paywalled)

Review: Volvo’s fastest, smallest and cheapest EV, the EX30, makes things complicated

Getting familiar with the EX30′s technology and user experience will take patience and time for customers new and old

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[RobStark]

RAM video discusses their ICEv,BEV and PHEV(EREV) full size trucks.

All versions do 0-60 in 4.4 seconds in top trip.

PHEV/EREV called Ramcharger does not have a direct mechanical connection between the ICE and wheels. RAM refers to EREV ICE as a 130 kW onboard generator that charges a 92 kWh battery pack. RAM says 92 kW battery pack but I think they mean 92 kWh.

GreenCarReports is reporting 145 AER plus an additional 545 miles from the ICE generator.

2025 Ram 1500 Ramcharger plug-in hybrid pickup pairs V-6, big EV battery

The Ramcharger joins the ranks of the Chevy Volt and Fisker Karma with its tech emphasizing the fully electric side of a series hybrid. Will it make sense in trucks?

www.greencarreports.com

 

[Gauss Guzzler]

Wow! That's pretty cool that Fiat trucks come from outer space! I always assumed they just came from China.
Who knew?

 

[RobStark]

 

[Doggydogworld]

PHEV/EREV called Ramcharger does not have a direct mechanical connection between the ICE and wheels.

That simplifies things a lot, but adds cost to power electronics and motors while hurting highway efficiency by ~10%.

RAM refers to EREV ICE as a 130 kW onboard generator that charges a 92 kWh battery pack. RAM says 92 kW battery pack but I think they mean 92 kWh.

I agree it's 92 kWh. He says 92 kWh while the graphic (incorrectly, IMHO) shows 92 kW.
That's a very big ICE for only 130 kW. Not sure why.
130 kW is enough to maintain speed up a 6% freeway grade when hauling, but not towing.
Battery can help tow uphill if it's charged before you start the climb. You can charge while driving, so that works.

GreenCarReports is reporting 145 AER plus an additional 545 miles from the ICE generator.

145 seems low. They claim a bit over 2 miles per kWh for the BEV, so should be 190+ miles for the 92 kWh EREV.

 

[RobStark]

I agree it's 92 kWh. He says 92 kWh while the graphic (incorrectly, IMHO) shows 92 kW.
That's a very big ICE for only 130 kW. Not sure why.

145 seems low. They claim a bit over 2 miles per kWh for the BEV, so should be 190+ miles for the 92 kWh EREV.

3.6L V6 runs on Atkinsons cycle for maximum efficiency.

But we know a PHEV/EREV is not going to as efficient as standard hybrid on highway. 24 mpg(F-150 hybrid) vs 20 mpg(Ramcharger).

Nor will a PHEV/EREV be as efficient in the City as BEV. Don't know exact numbers for Ramcharger yet.

The theory of operation here is that this is for the person that travels long distance/tows long distance maybe 12-15 times per year but otherwise drives within 70 miles of his house and plugs in every night.

The key is that the truck most carry a significant premium to the ICE truck. This will attract buyers that plug in every night. Leasing the cheapest Jeep Wrangler PHEV is cheaper than leasing the cheapest ICE Wrangler. So Stellantis can harvest the CARB/CAFE credits. This attracts buyers that don't care or necessarily want the electric components and may never/rarely plug it in. Probably the second owner will.

 

[RobStark]

 

[Gauss Guzzler]

Wow, I never thought I'd cross-shop a Rimac. But my driveway is pretty long.

 

[wdolson]

It looks like the sales figures for Chinese BEVs are kind of accurate. Those cars are being sold, but a lot of them are not on the road

If the government cracks down on the subsidies that is fueling this scheme, Chinese BEV sales will probably plummet overnight.

He's been pretty accurate about his reporting on the way things are done in China in the past. He lived there for many years and toured the country on his motorcycle with an American friend. They both got out just before the pandemic and now live in the US.

 

[navguy12]

It looks like the sales figures for Chinese BEVs are kind of accurate. Those cars are being sold, but a lot of them are not on the road

If the government cracks down on the subsidies that is fueling this scheme, Chinese BEV sales will probably plummet overnight.

He's been pretty accurate about his reporting on the way things are done in China in the past. He lived there for many years and toured the country on his motorcycle with an American friend. They both got out just before the pandemic and now live in the US.

Interesting video, but his rhetoric became tiresome. Apparently only making EVs (not non-EVs) involves dangerous, polluting and corrupt practices.

 

[wdolson]

Interesting video, but his rhetoric became tiresome. Apparently only making EVs (not non-EVs) involves dangerous, polluting and corrupt practices.

I agree his commentary is a bit over the top. A better point would be the serious EV industry is clamoring for the materials that go into those batteries. The world would be better off if they had taken the materials to make the batteries and exported them. Some Chinese entrepreneur could still make some money stripping the batteries out of those cars and selling them to battery recycling companies.

 

[replicant]

Stellantis, China’s CATL in EV Battery Supply Pact for Europe

Stellantis NV and China’s Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Ltd. plan to set up a factory for low-cost electric-vehicle batteries in Europe, deepening ties between the Fiat maker and Chinese companies.

www.bloomberg.com

• Pact will see local supply of lower-cost EV batteries
• Companies to explore JV targeting battery value chain

China’s battery makers supply some 80% of cells globally, while Chinese firms also have significant mining and processing facilities both at home and abroad. The country’s stranglehold on the EV supply chain has become a source of geopolitical tension with the US and Europe.

CATL, which supplies the likes of Tesla, Volkswagen and Hyundai, dominates the global battery market. While its idled $3.5 billion plant project with Ford Motor Co. in Michigan has been mired in controversy, the manufacturer is charging ahead with plans to build a facility in Hungary and in January started output at a factory in Erfurt, Germany, to supply BMW AG.

 

[RobStark]

Toyota spouts a lot of BS here and there.

This is all their EV battery BS in one concise chart.

 

[Gauss Guzzler]

Fixed it for you

 

[RobStark]

If you want to experience some schadenfreude at Mercedes' expense.

 

[Terminator857]

Off topic? If you want to see thousands of electric vehicles in use:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1728792538625040787

 

[wdolson]

Off topic? If you want to see thousands of electric vehicles in use:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1728792538625040787

It looks like a mix of electric and ICE scooters and small motorcycles. I saw a few human powered bicycles too.