Agreed. If this was planned all along S/X would not have it either.
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Tesla.com - "Transitioning to Tesla Vision"
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powertoold
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Not really the point though. If camera only was as good as radar they wouldn’t of had to disable it.
it doesn’t say collision avoidance will be disabled???
Indeed. I for one consider removing functionality and safety features from cars to be a bad thing for customers, but hey, I'm biased.
Tam
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Because you've never used it, it doesn't matter?
Isn't interesting that Tesla had to take out the one current feature that looks closest to City FSD, which is driving around a complex environment with nobody to take over? That radar was so fundamental here that they can't even try it anymore?
FYI, Tesla's own numbers as of last year showed only 200,000 automated lane changes but 1,200,000 smart summon sessions.
powertoold
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What's wrong with them taking steps to confirm before enabling all features without limitations?
It seems like the obvious thing to do. Even if they're confident that it's as good as radar, it'd still be a good idea to limit features until it's out in the wild. We all know the unexpected can happen with software deployments.
Why does everything Tesla does have to be perfect out of the gate?
Because they have a pretty well established history of getting to the point of marginal functionality and then moving on to the next shiny object to lure new victims with.
powertoold
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Are we saying Tesla needs shiny objects to con people into buying their cars? Lol?
Because they charge money for this, and they supposedly focus on safety, and they have a system which already works and they could have waited to remove Radar until it was fully validated instead of treating their customers like investors in their future development?
There are people out there that bought cars with Radar advertised that are now being told the car that was supposed to be delivered this week doesn't have it, and it's take it or leave it. That's some crazy pressure for someone that may have a lease ending or other situation.
why remove radar until you are ready? Obviously to save money, not to put out a better product.
powertoold
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There's also another perspective:
Perhaps it is fully validated, but it still needs to be confirmed (in the wild) in a short time. So there's no point in including radar if you're only going to take it out within a month or two.
We also know that Tesla released new firmware versions on current cars with vision only NNs. This is only information that green has gathered. It's possible Tesla has been validating other aspects of it prior (without our knowledge).
Yep, taking it safe by reducing AP's max speed, lane departure avoidance, and no smart summon, but leaving everything else intact. Seems like a situation where they have everything working fine, but just picked 3 random things to be cautious with.
Tam
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In a consumer world, a capitalist system, when I fully paid for my dinner party, I should not have to wait for the restaurant owner to get regulatory approval for a fishing license. Everything should be ready to go and the fish needs to be in the kitchen already!
Sure there is. It's called delivering to your customers what you advertised. It's also called "looking at your history of 2 month estimates and realizing you are always wrong."
There is a single reason to remove it now, and it's money. There is zero upside for your customer to removing it now, and a clear downside.
This is more akin to the chef not even knowing if you need to go fishing to acquire a swordfish.
powertoold
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Well, this is all speculation for now. Let's see how these no-radar cars perform.
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