I never had a car with a hood ornament, yet still managed not to bump into things, either forward or reverse. I guess parking a car without assistance joins such other arcane knowledge like mapHad cars that had hood ordainments at the end of a squared off hood where you could see the end of the hood.
How close to the front bumper to the high curb can you reliably park without any cameras or laser dots? A foot, 6 inches, 1 inch, 0.5 inch?
I meant if L4 definition allows operating only in geo-fenced areas and there is nothing in said definition about a minimum size of the L4 geo fenced area, then Tesla could use this to claim delivering L4. This is Tesla after all, the guys who advertised motor horsepower for cars, only to admit years later that was very literally the maximum power those motors could ever produce, if they were in a better car, with a better battery, and only for some limited amount of time. If you give Tesla a way to literally and minimally interpret a definition to their benefit, they will. I've been telling people since 2016 that FSD capable car means FSD capable floor mats, seats, hood, etc - 90% of the car is FSD ready and Tesla will at some point claim that's close enough to meet their promise of "FSD capable" cars they sold. After all, 90% is pretty close, right?
Early FSD cars don't even have redundant actuation btw, not something Tesla is retrofitting either, they will use it as "evil regulation preventing cars without redundancy from enabling FSD". Ok, some did have a secondary harness, but harness wiring was not sufficient to use it (wires were not the same as the primary harness).
This really does look par for the course as far as Elon's brain-fart features, pretty much as I would expect it work based on all other "coming soon via software update" features Tesla has delivered in the past. Tesla/Elon usually delivers a limited subset of functionality which works 70% of the time - this is why they continue to label those features Beta forever, because they are just experiments. This one doesn't work 70% of time yet, but it will in 5-8 years. It's funny the guy used the same phrase my relatives did after testing out the vision based park assist - "Better than nothing".
Personally, within an inch or two, reliably. Really not trying to be an arse about this, and I know nobody on this thread thinks this is an valid answer (but you did ask..) but people genuinely have been parking cars with no assistance systems for the entire existence of motor vehicles. It’s not witchcraft, it’s just a skill like any other.
Care to provide a source for this?
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No way to stick your head out the roof of the Taycan though. Also, Taycans means not just for sunny weather, so it would be unpleasant to do in rainy Seattle for example (though I must say, the Taycan's cameras get all wet in the rain anyways so it's already miserable to park the Taycan in the rain).
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I stand corrected, 126 owners got paid, rather than "a dozen or so". My point was that while Tesla paid out on a lawsuit somewhere in a world, it doesn't mean all, or even most customers got a payout.It was in Europe yes. but you're off by an order of magnitude on the # of customers involved.
Tesla settles Model S P85D horsepower lawsuit in Norway - Autoblog
Owners can get money or vehicle upgrades.
Unsure why you'd have to sue separately in the US- class actions are a thing here. In fact Tesla paid out one in the US to EAP owners whose features were delayed from the 2016 original on-sale date. I think the difference is technically it DOES have that # of HP from a certain point of view and the US has fewer consumer protections compared to some European countries to ding folks who are "WELL TECHNICALLY IT DID THE THING..." but I haven't dug too deeply into any attempts in US courts on the issue (the fact there's nothing easy to find suggests I'm on to something with how much less a case US consumers have on that specific claim though)
Or that the arbitration clause is such that it's not worth it for lawyers to get involved.
Or the fact that Tesla makes very expensive to litigate, making it not worth while. Remember how much they fought the yellow screens. Think Elon's defense against the lawsuit of the Tai diver - Elon spent way more than $75K the driver was seeking to defend himself. Not enough P85D owners in the US to make it worth while for a lawyer to drive a class action suit.
If I was to guess, a lot, I mean orders of magnitude, more EAP customers than P85D. P85D which was the most expensive of the 3 trims, with the largest delta ($25K) from the 85D (60 to 85D was $10K delta). Also, P85D was only sold for a fraction of time EAP was sold.
