Bro you best be checking my post history before you bring up that fud bullshit. This was a terrible decision by Tesla. That’s all.
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Tesla.com - "Transitioning to Tesla Vision"
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I assume most safety testing happens before the car is released. The manufacturer provides samples to the government agencies.
if what you are saying is true, I will accept it as a third possibility.
Fair, maybe not YOU specifically, but there has been a LOT of misinformation out there regarding what features have been nerfed and what hasnt. For example, most media outlets are 'reporting' (likely based on forum posts) that Automatic Emergency Braking is not present in newer cars. This is contrary to both Tesla's post AND Elon's direct statement to Electrec.
Cheburashka
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And this is entirely Teslas fault. What stopped them from testing and validating these features before the "upgrade" was announced to the public?
powertoold
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I like how everyone was jumping to conclusions before we got to see any vision-only cars.
I disagree. If people were complaining about features that got nerfed; sure, I would agree, BUT people are claiming that they removed features THEY NEVER REMOVED.
Ruffles
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I also like how everyone is arguing the merits of the implementation with no first hand knowledge. It doesn't matter if Tesla uses 1 sensor, 100 sensors, cameras, sonar, or lidar etc. All that matters is the performance of the vehicle.
The safety board says they were removed. I’m trusting an objective third party over a car manufacturer who is selling cars...
Cheburashka
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What are you talking about? Those features were not labeled as present by NHTSA, which consulted Tesla on the matter.
I think we all need to look at the bright side on this. Imagine a shortage on steering wheels instead of radar units. It would have been interesting to see how that would have played out 
Tesla vehicles without radar still have Autopilot safety features despite what the media is saying
Tesla’s new Model 3 and Model Y vehicles with Tesla Vision and no radar are still equipped with Autopilot’s active...
electrek.co
Direct quote from Elon. They are currently in a 'not approved' state until tested but they are there and active. This is a regulatory thing that will likely be old news next week.
This would be the quickest way to get FSDI think we all need to look at the bright side on this. Imagine a shortage on steering wheels instead of radar units. It would have been interesting to see how that would have played out
Are you aware that Tesla themselves removed AEB from the standard functions list on the autopilot page when they announced Tesla Vision?
It only came back when someone pointed it out.
Then, when the NHTSA called them, they were unable to convince them that the cars still had AEB.
How is this FUD and anything but Tesla's own fault?
Also, the only evidence we have that AEB still exists is a screen shot, where the option is still on the screen. As we keep getting told, this doesn't mean it's the same AEB as before, maybe it doesn't pass the tests needed to legally call it AEB.
I must have missed where they removed AEB.
It hasnt been tested by the NHTSA yet. We will see what happens when they test it.
The media is reporting on the fact that NHTSA called Tesla, consulted with them and then based on that, removed AEB from NHTSA's own NCAP list, and reduced the safety rating of the cars based on this.
No media is responding to any forum post.
Tesla was unable to convince NHTSA that the AEB on the current cars met NHTSA's definition for AEB. Yes, maybe that just means it's untested, but that is still a news-worthy event that Tesla made a large enough change to the cars that a regulator had to remove a feature from the list until it's tested. Who knows if it will past the test? If you care about NHTSA safety ratings, you can't buy a new car that just came out until NHTSA rates it. In this case, if you care about AEB, you also can't buy a 3/X until NHTSA tests it. It's functionally a new car, and it's up to the consumer to understand if they will trust Tesla that it is there before a regulator verifies.
All sounds very, very newsworthy for a company that is so focused on safety yet is removing safety features (even if supposedly temporary).
Anyone who’s at least a little honest with themselves knows that trusting an Elon tweet is like pissing into the wind.
DanCar
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I'd be interested in a vehicle with a joystick. If it were in the center console then left or right side can control vehicle.I think we all need to look at the bright side on this. Imagine a shortage on steering wheels instead of radar units. It would have been interesting to see how that would have played out
Then maybe don't call people idiots for making assumptions when you are making assumptions.
Interesting how when the facts of the situation are known, it doesn't really look like FUD, and it's "Well, we just have to wait for NHTSA." Yep, we do. We don't get to trust Tesla on this one, or an Elon tweet, because their history is so iffy and opaque when they make changes.
The last time this happened they did actually remove AEB from cars and didn't tell anyone. It took a media report from Consumer reports to get them to acknowledge it and accelerate the return. The media is doing their function in society here, not being idiots or "FUDsters," and Tesla keeps making the same mistakes over, and over again, even thought they have been planning this transition to Tesla Vision very carefully for a long time now, and totally weren't rushed in this case.
Ah,
My guess is its for interlaced video, but I don't think the sensors Tesla uses support that. Plus he spec'd the full resolution so that to me means 36fps.
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