Tesla Model 3 is crushing competition

[Fernand]

So good to hear you drive a lot. Save on gas for sure. Do you live in Alaska, or Canada?

Actually one funny details is that America has had, on most goods, 5% or less duty that's not even always enforced by Customs. Duty in the 25% range is not uncommon in the world, and of course American companies have had to export against that. Anyone know how much duty is charged on a Model 3 going into e.g. France or Germany?

 

[SammichLover]

So good to hear you drive a lot. Save on gas for sure. Do you live in Alaska, or Canada?

What's it like, with the water rapidly rising so you have to keep hopping sad little island to island to find something to cling to as they go under?

Must be pretty depressing, realizing that even the ones not under yet are soon doomed for the same watery tomb. Even with your denial letting you recycle long dead talking points until someone pierces through reminding you of the harsh reality pierces in that they are long drowned.

When you are alone again at night, with no-one around to interrupt you fantasies, do you start afresh from the beginning to cheer yourself up by relieving the times past, when the island were still vast continents, relevant and vibrant? And as you recant the musty talking points over and over, slip into the fog of nigh-dementia where you're living in the past?

 

[Matias]

Anyone know how much duty is charged on a Model 3 going into e.g. France or Germany?

10%

 

[mspohr]

What's it like, with the water rapidly rising so you have to keep hopping sad little island to island to find something to cling to as they go under?

Must be pretty depressing, realizing that even the ones not under yet are soon doomed for the same watery tomb. Even with your denial letting you recycle long dead talking points until someone pierces through reminding you of the harsh reality pierces in that they are long drowned.

When you are alone again at night, with no-one around to interrupt you fantasies, do you start afresh from the beginning to cheer yourself up by relieving the times past, when the island were still vast continents, relevant and vibrant? And as you recant the musty talking points over and over, slip into the fog of nigh-dementia where you're living in the past?

I really don't understand what you're talking about here but I do like your prose. I give you an "A" for creative writing.
I particularly like this sentence:
"And as you recant the musty talking points over and over, slip into the fog of nigh-dementia where you're living in the past?"

 

[Leafdriver333]

I really don't understand what you're talking about here but I do like your prose. I give you an "A" for creative writing.
I particularly like this sentence:
"And as you recant the musty talking points over and over, slip into the fog of nigh-dementia where you're living in the past?"

Tesla is selling a lot more cars than Bob Lutz expected.

 

[mspohr]

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Tesla is selling a lot more cars than Bob Lutz expected.

Is SammicuLover Bob Lutz? I bet he's having bad dreams

 

[GregD60]

And none of the goals has anything to do with tesla and competition, because tesla is in competition with itself. Just because a company doesn't offer something to compete doesn't mean they are in competition. A BMW 3 series is not competition for a Tesla, one is an EV one is not.

The competition that matters is in the marketplace, and in the marketplace a Tesla Model 3 most definitely competes with a BMW 3 series.

 

[Leafdriver333]

The competition that matters is in the marketplace, and in the marketplace a Tesla Model 3 most definitely competes with a BMW 3 series.

Not all 3er buyers will consider model 3 but some definitely will cross shop

 

[GregD60]

Not all 3er buyers will consider model 3 but some definitely will cross shop

Yes, there are some died in the wool BMW buyers who won't consider anything else, but I think the vast majority will cross shop the Model 3 with the 3 series. This is coming from a 4 time BMW owner who did cross shop and bought a Model 3.

 

[mspohr]

That puts the 10 year TCO saving at £22,600. That’s a huge TCO advantage for a Tesla Model 3 owner, compared to the TCO for a BMW 3 Series owner.

Tesla Model 3 Hits The UK In June, Starting At £38,900 — Crushes BMW "Equivalent" On Price & TCO | CleanTechnica

 

[Fernand]

What's it like, with the water rapidly rising so you have to keep hopping sad little island to island to find something to cling to as they go under?

Must be pretty depressing, realizing that even the ones not under yet are soon doomed for the same watery tomb. Even with your denial letting you recycle long dead talking points until someone pierces through reminding you of the harsh reality pierces in that they are long drowned.

When you are alone again at night, with no-one around to interrupt you fantasies, do you start afresh from the beginning to cheer yourself up by relieving the times past, when the island were still vast continents, relevant and vibrant? And as you recant the musty talking points over and over, slip into the fog of nigh-dementia where you're living in the past?

Huh? Well, you're being gratuitously insulting. Have we met? I have no idea what you're debating. I just dropped in here and I don't know WHICH musty talking points you think I'm recycling, on what side of what argument. Seems to me you're at the stage of attacking windmills. A clinician probably should review what experiences led to your present aggressive condition.

 

[Kilotango74]

Car sales are down. Everyone is buying SUVs. Should Tesla have gone with the Model Y first? I know I'd probably get a Y if it was offered now.

So you’d probably get a Y because “everyone is buying SUV’s”?

 

[Webeevdrivers]

I get the attraction to the SUV hatchback thing. Hell, one of the reasons we have a Leaf Eplus on order is the hatchback. But dang most SUV’s are ugly. The model 3 may be a sedan but it is one hell of a lot nicer looking than ANY SUV including in my opinion the model Y. I think it has a quiet understated elegance to it. Still on our list some day. We’ll be replacing another car in about three years. Hoping it will be a 3 or maybe a lightly used S which is also a great looking car. Until then we will be driving a bunch of leaves...(two leafs...see what I did there?...lol).

 

[Whitehawk]

I was coming out of a Hyundai Genesis (G80) lease and was cross shopping the V6 G70 and BMW 340. I ended up getting a “new” demonstrator 2018 Non P AWD M3 with 700 miles. $6,700 discount on March 30th and still has tax credit. Far better deal than the two ICE cars I was cross shopping. Had never driven a Tesla before delivery - but had driven the other two cars. I took the plunge - while I think the BMW and G70 are put together a little better, the M3 has an incredible drive. I will replace my wife’s Ford Edge Sport with the Model Y!

 

[focher]

Car sales are down. Everyone is buying SUVs. Should Tesla have gone with the Model Y first? I know I'd probably get a Y if it was offered now.

Except you have to include the 3 in those numbers. Car sales are down except those that aren’t. The Model 3 has absolutely bucked the sales trend, and is holding its own very well. Existing cars can be analyzed for their own sales trends, and that looks terrible for them. To pretend that the Model 3 hasn’t brought serious negative impact on the BMW 3 Series or Prius is to deny reality.

 

[Kilotango74]

Except you have to include the 3 in those numbers. Car sales are down except those that aren’t. The Model 3 has absolutely bucked the sales trend, and is holding its own very well. Existing cars can be analyzed for their own sales trends, and that looks terrible for them. To pretend that the Model 3 hasn’t brought serious negative impact on the BMW 3 Series or Prius is to deny reality.

Denying reality is the name of the game for ICE manufacturers.

 

[SammichLover]

Huh? .... I just dropped in here and I don't know WHICH musty talking points you think I'm recycling, on what side of what argument.

LOL

 

[Swampgator]

I'm not sure why we have spent 7 pagers now debating you (LCR1)
You just don't get it, do Ya Scott?

"Electric infrastructure is so far behind fossil fuel that it's laughable."

So you have a fossil fuel pump at your house? Because unless I'm on a road trip I charge at home. So does everyone else.

You are truly a Luddite.

 

[Swampgator]

Felipe Munoz on Instagram: “Even if all body types are included, the #TeslaModel3 leads the premium D-Segment in Europe. The fully electric #Tesla outsold all of its…”

 

[afadeev]

The competition that matters is in the marketplace, and in the marketplace a Tesla Model 3 most definitely competes with a BMW 3 series.

Agreed.
Tesla Model 3 is playing in the small/mid-luxury car marketplace.

It's not an econobox by any stretch of imagination. That's the domain of Prius's (or is that Priusi?).
TM3 compete against other luxury cars like 3-series, A4's, C-class, Lexus IS/ES, etc.

But not Prius.
There is nothing luxurious about Prius, and you wont find anyone classifying it as a luxury automobile, unless copious amounts of alcohol or weed are applied.

Model S is more of a full-sized luxury automobile.

Not all 3er buyers will consider model 3 but some definitely will cross shop

Indeed.

Yes, there are some died in the wool BMW buyers who won't consider anything else, but I think the vast majority will cross shop the Model 3 with the 3 series. This is coming from a 4 time BMW owner who did cross shop and bought a Model 3.

Amen, brother!
If anyone doubts this, just scroll down to my .sig.

However, this thread is begging for a serious deep dive into differences between correlation and causation.
Alas, that's a discussion for another day, and another thread.

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