More reasons why I dont have a need for this feature.
Tesla On Autopilot Slams Into Stalled Car On Highway, Expect More Of This
Fred
Tesla On Autopilot Slams Into Stalled Car On Highway, Expect More Of This
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Tesla On Autopilot Slams Into Stalled Car
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It’s a terrible situation to be in, autopilot or not. The driver is responsible for not paying attention, especially when in heavy traffic with cars cutting them off.
The point we can argue is if people are lulled into a false sense of security with autopilot and disregard their duty as a driver.
The point we can argue is if people are lulled into a false sense of security with autopilot and disregard their duty as a driver.
I love AP, been using it for almost four years now, always on long stretches of interstate, never near urban conglomerations or heavy traffic. The human brain tends to focus where the hands are, so I keep them on the wheel, and looking far ahead and notice a lot more than when I had to constantly steer.
Garlan Garner
Banned
The title should not be "Autopilot" slams into ......
The title should be "Negligent" person slams into.......
Post the court decision. I would like to see it.
Did the car have its own liability insurance?
Did the car get fined?
Did the car get its license revoked?
Did the car get led away in handcuffs?
Did the car go to jail?
The accelerator pedal will drive the car into a dry cleaners when I use it in a parking lot if I'm not careful.
More reasons why I don't have a need for the accelerator pedal feature.
Article is clickbait fake news. Drivers hit stopped cars on the highway all the time which is why state police cars have 70 mph reinforced trunks. This is more a cellphone, alcohol, food eating or radio surfing issue, than autopilot. Is AP perfect, no, but it never pretended to be. The bias and/or ignorance around Tesla is amazing.
“Driver’s in the United States get into these kinds of accidents all the time... sometimes crisid is averted by the skin of their teeth.. but autopilot and Tesla both suck... boo Tesla, boo!!”
— Forbes Mag
Sorry.. the article is terrible. Accident or not.
— Forbes Mag
Sorry.. the article is terrible. Accident or not.
It’s a shame. I agree ultimately as more cars with assistive driving get on the road, we are going to have more accidents involving cars with assistive driving. The problem is that this accident would have happened whether there was assistive driving or not, and the author begins with the false premise that the computers on a tesla should have a faster reaction time than a human.
He also fails to mention that despite whatever shortcomings autopilot has, it’s still safer that driving without autopilot. That’s not a opinion, a “should have” like he presents multiple times in the article, it’s a fact, backed by millions of miles of data.
He should have begun his article with a comparison of miles driven between accidents on auto pilot and without it. Then went on with the rest of the article (because it is reasonable to point out specific issues with a system so they can be fixed)... but these kinds of articles just create the kind of sensationalism that allows “witches” to be drowned to see if they are a wiitch and legislatures to enact laws on false narratives.
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He also fails to mention that despite whatever shortcomings autopilot has, it’s still safer that driving without autopilot. That’s not a opinion, a “should have” like he presents multiple times in the article, it’s a fact, backed by millions of miles of data.
He should have begun his article with a comparison of miles driven between accidents on auto pilot and without it. Then went on with the rest of the article (because it is reasonable to point out specific issues with a system so they can be fixed)... but these kinds of articles just create the kind of sensationalism that allows “witches” to be drowned to see if they are a wiitch and legislatures to enact laws on false narratives.
Do not like.
Lance Eliot (the author of that Forbes article) has an agenda. Ever since the Autonomy Investor Day where Musk doubled down on poopooing LIDAR, this guy's become extra vocal against Tesla. I wonder why. Perhaps he has a vested interest in seeing LIDAR succeed? He likes to flaunt his credentials to give himself more authority. I didn't dig too far, but he's definitely involved with self-driving tech.
Musk is poopooing lidar because it’s espensive, not because it doesn’t work... He has promised fsd to a lot of people with cars already on the road and free retrofits to lidar probably not an option....
until he proves he doesn’t need lidar for FSD (including in situations like these) I think pointing out the lack of lidar is legitimate.
until he proves he doesn’t need lidar for FSD (including in situations like these) I think pointing out the lack of lidar is legitimate.
Garlan Garner
Banned
None of this has anything to do with Lidar.
I'm a great driver and I don't have lidar built in. You don't need lidar.
Musks current version or AP works.
Did the car hit anyone or drive off the road....no.
The author of the article thinks lidar would be able to detect situations like this and avoid them.
Garlan Garner
Banned
Then the author of the article shouldn't be making articles.
He should be making cars.
It used to be “those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.” Now, through erosion of teaching salaries and evolution of on line media, it has become: “those who do, do. Those who can’t, write clickbait articles for online media.”
LIDAR would have prevented the accident, or at least allowed the car to know there was a stationary object in the way and tried to take evasive measures. You won't find reports of accidents like this with Wamo's fleet. But you also won't see LIDAR being used in a Tesla if it bumps up the price tag by $20,000 either.
That said, this accident is not the fault of autopilot. AP is just a driver assist. The driver needed to be watching and take over control soon as the stationary vehicle was seen. AP would allow the driver to look around and be more mindful of the vehicles around him than if he had to focus strictly on steering. If you're taking a nap, watching a movie, etc, then there is no one to blame but yourself if this happens.
That said, this accident is not the fault of autopilot. AP is just a driver assist. The driver needed to be watching and take over control soon as the stationary vehicle was seen. AP would allow the driver to look around and be more mindful of the vehicles around him than if he had to focus strictly on steering. If you're taking a nap, watching a movie, etc, then there is no one to blame but yourself if this happens.
Tony_YYZ
Tezler Guru
Post up the stats about how many cars on Autopilot slam into cars vs. how many fully human operated cars slammed into cars.
I'll wait.
The article doesn't even mention that the Norwegian crash it hangs everything on appears to be an AP1 car, three generations behind Tesla's current best with a tiny fraction of the data and processing power.
But apparently only LIDAR can solve the problem. It also implies the same running would happen with a slowly moving car, which simply isn't true.
But apparently only LIDAR can solve the problem. It also implies the same running would happen with a slowly moving car, which simply isn't true.
I’m only going to speak for myself here, but I have found that the longer I let the car drive on Autopilot the harder it is for me to keep myself focused on supervising it and being ready to intervene if something goes wrong. I consider myself to be a good driver. I’ve been driving over 35 years and have never hit anyone. So I’m more comfortable driving the car myself than letting Autopilot drive for me.
But there are many bad drivers on the road. So overall I would agree with the general sentiment in this forum that AP is safer than the “average” human driver. And if you are a “below average” driver, by all means keep AP on all the time.
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