Have a poke around here, select approved funding layer Evenergi Map That list I just stole from Tesla gets state funding for 260 new Supercharger bays at more than 30 NSW addresses in Australia
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Tesla opening up the Supercharger network in Australia to other brand EVs.
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RareEarth
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I think overall if Tesla end up getting more sites approved quicker and more gov funding to roll out quicker, it will be better overall for all.
One thing of concern is with all the smaller EV's models coming into the Australian market now, eg ones with only 70kW DC or 80kW DC max charging rates, I hope the education goes to those cars to using the slower fast chargers first when options exist (Tesla V1, 100kW, V2 120-145kW) leaving the higher power ones (V3 250kW) for higher power cars capable of faster charging ? (Tesla Model 3 170kW DC, Model 3 LR 250kW DC capable) etc.
If the charger speeds are labeled clearly now for all this could help choice. (for those not familiar with what each type of Tesla charger can do)
All Tesla smaller urban 72kW DC / destination 20kW DC chargers, so same for all cars no difference, who is using which.
How many people are aware of the using every 2nd charger spot / seperate chargers do you see ?
One thing of concern is with all the smaller EV's models coming into the Australian market now, eg ones with only 70kW DC or 80kW DC max charging rates, I hope the education goes to those cars to using the slower fast chargers first when options exist (Tesla V1, 100kW, V2 120-145kW) leaving the higher power ones (V3 250kW) for higher power cars capable of faster charging ? (Tesla Model 3 170kW DC, Model 3 LR 250kW DC capable) etc.
If the charger speeds are labeled clearly now for all this could help choice. (for those not familiar with what each type of Tesla charger can do)
All Tesla smaller urban 72kW DC / destination 20kW DC chargers, so same for all cars no difference, who is using which.
How many people are aware of the using every 2nd charger spot / seperate chargers do you see ?
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I thought that with V3 Superchargers there is no more power sharing between stalls, making the A/B thing go away?
As to the risks of EV charging contention with Tesla opening up Superchargers to other EVs, more funding means more stalls, and one of the major benefits of bigger stations is they become massively more efficient compared to smaller stalls relative to the number of cars per stall. Throughput per site increases and waiting time decreases even if the number of stalls and the number of cars scale at the same rate. Queuing theory and Erlang tables, if you want to get into why.
I had read there could be a monthly subscription service to reduce that cost. Superchargers open to everyone could increase those sales of other EVs to the detriment of Tesla's own car sales.
Yes extending cables on bays will become necessary to fix this I think. Then that may require cable management equipment and added cooling for extended cables.
What they have done (at the same time as those few trial sites opened up) is offering a $10/month subscription for non-Teslas which then drops the price to the same per kWh as a Tesla pays at each Supercharger that is open to non-Teslas.
Concerns me too. Have already seen how the charge limit is automatically dropped to 80% for a congested site from your default setting. I only wanted to charge to approx 75% anyway to give me a little extra charge for when I got back home to do some errands. But Tesla will need other ways to control this with other brands EVs I think.
There's no longer the A/B thing, but total power is shared across the whole site (a V3 site can't generally run every single stall flat out at 250kW simultaneously). I don't think it's something you'd commonly notice though, because it's very unlikely to have all stalls occupied by the right cars at the right temperature and SOC to max out anyway.
Ok I have only been to Heatherbrae 5 times from memory (2 trips to Sydney and 1 to Cessnock) and have seen it full on just a Sunday afternoon and not holidays times, long weekends etc. Yes I have been the only one there at Heatherbrae at 4.30am in the morning but also the only one there at Macquarie Park at 6.30am.
Time of day or day of travelling really makes a difference obviously I think.
Now with the increased sales of Tesla's vehicles why did Tesla need government subsidies to expand their network? Their network was quite extensive anyway I think. Couldn't they just keep expanding their network without those subsidies? Hell others here just in this thread alone have stated it's mainly just Teslas being sold into Australia in the EV space.
Some Australians may consider it unfair that Tesla are subsidised with their money with Tesla's apparent success rate.
I am just trying to look at this from another perspective that probably will be considered wrong by our own opinions, ambitions, greed etc etc.
Tesla has always aimed to be mass market. They will take any free money on offer to expand. They want to be the next Toyota, not Porsche The Secret Tesla Motors Master Plan (just between you and me) | Tesla
DasBoot
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I'd flip that around. If Tesla submits a funding proposal that meets the government program's goals and criteria, what would be the basis for rejecting it? If it's just that they have a large network, does the same apply to eg Evie when their number of chargers passes Tesla?
I doubt Tesla would be building four 15-stall stations in NSW in the next year if it wasn’t for government support.
And given what we saw over the holiday season, this can’t come soon enough.
raynewman
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I think Government support includes finding/supplying the land which has been one of Tesla's main problems.
Yes that's obvious I think by taking that grant money. Some may consider that to be also to be greed, morally wrong, etc to be taking public money to expand. I think there maybe some in that public that may not want Tesla to succeed as say Tesla owners or Tesla stock holders would.
Geez not sure I should even comment on this whole subject as my own biases as a Tesla owner may be showing but I am trying to be subjective.
Ok should have known that was going to be something that says Elon Musk wrote. May stay right out of this as I may offend others here with my opinion about that "secret plan".
When they started the third party Supercharger access trial in the Netherlands, third party EVs could only access the Superchargers if the site had a certain number of free Superchargers. So basically prioritising Teslas in busy times (which is fair enough for 100% Tesla paid-for sites). I thought this was an excellent idea but it seems to have been dropped in more recent trials.
I probably could have been clearer but one paragraph above my quote you used I was writing about Tesla's increased vehicle sales and not about being the owner of a large network.
But yes we can "flip that around" I think. Tesla put in a bid and won it fair and square is for example another one way of looking at it IMO. Used those words in a discussion with others then tried to change the subject lol.
Yea saw that one and the MG at Narooma. Other brands beside MG seem to be ok so far I think.
It's a tough one to solve. A nicely warmed Atto3 (for example) might charge faster than a cold Model 3. Peak speed is only part of the equation, and probably not a major factor compared to the overall charging curve, SOC and temperature.
Perhaps a mix of kWh and time-based pricing would make sense? E.g. 50c/kWh + 25c/min? The faster chargers could have a higher time-based pricing component to deter those who can't take advantage of them?
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