Tesla Ownership says ALC is part of basic AP

[MarcG]

So after confusing and conflicting information from various Tesla sales and service folks about whether Auto Lane Change is part or not part of the basic Autopilot package, I called Tesla Ownership and the person I spoke to confirmed that it is.

Has anyone already taken delivery of a Model 3 ordered after Feb 28 with only basic Autopilot (not Enhanced AP, and without FSD)?
If so, does turning on the turn signal while Autosteer is engaged on a freeway initiate a lane change for you?

 

[surfrasch]

So after confusing and conflicting information from various Tesla sales and service folks about whether Auto Lane Change is part or not part of the basic Autopilot package, I called Tesla Ownership and the person I spoke to confirmed that it is.

Has anyone already taken delivery of a Model 3 ordered after Feb 28 with only basic Autopilot (not Enhanced AP, and without FSD)?
If so, does turning on the turn signal while Autosteer is engaged on a freeway initiate a lane change for you?

I have an older November delivery, did not have AP, ordered for $2k, got it yesterday and used on highway. Tried auto lane change and it didn't work.

 

[MarcG]

I have an older November delivery, did not have AP, ordered for $2k, got it yesterday and used on highway. Tried auto lane change and it didn't work.

Is there an ALC option in your settings? I remember that I had to actively enable that on AP1 in my P85D, and every new driver profile did too (it was off by default).

 

[surfrasch]

Is there an ALC option in your settings? I remember that I had to actively enable that on AP1 in my P85D, and every new driver profile did too (it was off by default).

just went out and checked, no option for ALC within my AP section on the screen. I'm on 5.15 also....

 

[Knightshade]

"new" cheap AP is autosteer and TACC only- no lane change or anything else- already covered in a number of previous threads.

 

[commasign]

Lane change is not included with the "new" AP2+ Autopilot option. It's only available with AP1 Autopilot (aka Autopilot convenience features), AP2+ Enhanced Autopilot, and AP2+ Full Self Driving Capability.

 

[MarcG]

Thanks for confirming everyone. I wanted I hear a consistent answer from the horse’s mouth, but I guess there is still much confusion about the recent changes at Tesla..

 

[OCR1]

Most of the people we speak to at Tesla don’t actually drive a Tesla vehicle so their knowledge level is going to be very limited. I trust the owners on this forum more than anything I hear from Tesla sales and service folks.

 

[Magnets!]

you called "Tesla Ownership"? Who exactly is that?

 

[boaterva]

This is a common problem. No one at Tesla (well, probably very few) actually drive a Tesla and get to ‘play’ with settings except in the line of duty and that may only be what’s in a manual or a simulator and definitely not on the road.

Same issue we get with Q and A in Service Centers and Stores.

And I gather ‘Ownership’ would be ‘Tech Support’ on the phone. It’s hard to get to anyone through the phone tree now, I usually resort to Roadside. Blech.

 

[MarcG]

you called "Tesla Ownership"? Who exactly is that?

Sorry it’s still entered on my phone as Tesla Ownership from the good old days (2014), but it’s the number you would call for roadside/service/support. That number is (877) 798-3752 if you need it.

 

[MagnusMako]

Whoever you spoke with probably confused AP with EAP. EAP has the ALC. When EAP discontinued as an option ALC moved over to FSD and the basics got reduced to just AP. Kinda sucks but I think it was a power move by Tesla to get people to spend the extra for FSD.

 

[MarcG]

Whoever you spoke with probably confused AP with EAP. EAP has the ALC. When EAP discontinued as an option ALC moved over to FSD and the basics got reduced to just AP. Kinda sucks but I think it was a power move by Tesla to get people to spend the extra for FSD.

The person I spoke to actually knew the differences between AP, EAP, and FSD and could tell me the dates when things changed, prices, etc. So he seemed pretty knowledgeable, and even sent me an email to confirm what he told me verbally (which is something he volunteered, as he was aware the ALC feature is not explicitly described on their website).

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

Whoever you spoke with probably confused AP with EAP. EAP has the ALC. When EAP discontinued as an option ALC moved over to FSD and the basics got reduced to just AP. Kinda sucks but I think it was a power move by Tesla to get people to spend the extra for FSD.

I think it was more of a move to get buyers to buy AP and not buy a different vehicle instead.

 

[dethman]

No one at tesla actually knows what's going on with tesla. It has been this way for quite some time.

Ask 5 tesla employees a question, get 5 different answers

 

[outie]

No one at tesla actually knows what's going on with tesla. It has been this way for quite some time.

Ask 5 tesla employees a question, get 5 different answers

Not to mention all 5 answers turn out to be wrong!

 

[mattack4000]

I think it was more of a move to get buyers to buy AP and not buy a different vehicle instead.

Then the current owner complaints about it and now everyone is higher pricing

 

[Kant.Ing]

Prior to (manually) changing lanes, one needs to disengage AP first? Quite counter-intuitive for such an easy task, isn't it? Hopefully Tesla will correct that.

 

[TEG]

Prior to (manually) changing lanes, one needs to disengage AP first? Quite counter-intuitive for such an easy task, isn't it? Hopefully Tesla will correct that.

You can muscle your way to take control for anything you want. It just means that the car won't do the lane change for you, and you probably have to re-engage TACC once you did the lane change yourself.

 

[Knightshade]

You can muscle your way to take control for anything you want. It just means that the car won't do the lane change for you, and you probably have to re-engage TACC once you did the lane change yourself.

Disengaging autosteer by moving the wheel doesn't turn off TACC (at least it doesn't on EAP)