My supposedly 360 mile range M3
You don't have 360 miles of range in all circumstances ... in fact you have that in very few circumstances .... I really thought that point had already been well made.
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My supposedly 360 mile range M3
That's conflating two separate issues, though. Certainly it's quicker and easier to refuel a conventional car, no question. The topic of this thread is true range versus official range. My contention is that all cars, of any type, always over-state their official range, especially in winter.
Car reviewers sometimes highlight this, and have done for years, with comments pointing out that owners will see a far lower mpg figure in practice. I don't believe that the cold weather range decrease for EVs is significantly worse than it is for conventional cars. It might be a few percent worse, because of the impact of cabin heating, but overall, the same factors that cause conventional cars to use more fuel per mile in winter apply to EVs in exactly the same way. The issue is that this is far more noticeable in any EV, because of both the way the car presents lots more data to the driver and because the maximum range of most EVs is significantly lower than that of most conventional cars.
I wonder if part of the problem is that ICE cars show MPG and EVs do range on a 'tank'. If ICE cars were advertised at doing 500 miles on a tank, and you got 400 in winter you would probably get similar arguments. I expect some (a lot of) people don't even know the size of the tank in their car (I had my Skoda for 7 years, and never actually looked it up), so don't really collate the MPG to a range for the car.
I know for me in both my old Skoda and my Jag I use remaining range along with the fuel gauge to work out roughly when I need to refuel. Looking at the Tesla I do like to see how many miles it thinks it will do as guidance, but generally use %.
Its a different way of thinking... one I am still getting used to as I haven't been able to actually drive the car any long distance yet...
In the early 1990s I owned a Jag one of the first with a "computer" (a 1989 XJ-S) and the range display on that was hilarious. I could lose 50 to 100 miles of range just by driving it around with a heavy right foot for a few minutes.
Is yours one of the new ones with a heat pump? Other point is how much of this is lost overnight? Since recent updates I seem to be losing 3-4% a day as car not sleeping as it used to do.Collected my model 3 LR not long ago and charged fully to 90% last week with range showing as 292miles.
I’m now at 88miles showing on the screen and looked at how many miles I’ve done since the last charge...... 72miles! Surely that cannot be right? I know it’s been freezing cold and most my journeys are 10-15 miles then stopping/restart but l was not expecting this...
Anyone else with similar issues? Have I done something wrong?
I have the fans on low and seat heating on low most times but that’s it.
My old SR+ would get 150 miles in winter doing fairly short runs all the time with no preheating. So new LR should be 250 you would think. Well that is why I upgraded!! Not looking that way right now though.Yeah mine is the new model with heat pump integrated.
With a claimed 360 mile range and most of my pre purchase research showing a realistic range of circa 300 miles, the current winter projections are awful. I would have expected around 230-250 in winter, not what looks like under 150. Cars aren’t started and just driven for the whole time so if they can’t handle stop/start journeys then it’s not going to bode well.
My last petrol car would give 350 miles in summer and circa 300 in winter which is roughly 15% less. If BEVs give such poor range just because it’s cold then I don’t see many people sticking with them after the initial purchase.
The range was one of the main reasons I went with Tesla over an Etron etc. I’d hate to think what those cars would give you in winter as they have a much lower quoted range. 50 miles maybe?!?
With a claimed 360 mile range and most of my pre purchase research showing a realistic range of circa 300 miles, the current winter projections are awful. I would have expected around 230-250 in winter, not what looks like under 150. Cars aren’t started and just driven for the whole time so if they can’t handle stop/start journeys then it’s not going to bode well.
Since recent updates I seem to be losing 3-4% a day as car not sleeping as it used to do.
I have done 14 miles this week, battery has gone from 80% to 50% (2021 LR with no sentry mode). Would hope to do more than 50 odd miles in a 360 mile rated car!!!!!!
I would have expected around 230-250 in winter, not what looks like under 150. Cars aren’t started and just driven for the whole time so if they can’t handle stop/start journeys then it’s not going to bode well.
Changed to percentage and will now monitor drain over night.
I have a home charger installed and I will be plugging in daily to ‘top up’, alleviating any range anxiety but......... this is not the issue and does not solve the underlying fundamental problem. The problem is getting such poor mileage out of what’s quoted to be a 360 mile range electric vehicle. The arguments around using heating/heated seats etc are not really valid. It’s a car. It’s freezing outside. It needs to be able to handle these aspects of being a car and cannot be treated as just a battery.
If I were to buy a petrol/diesel that’s quoted to give 360 miles to a full tank and only came out with circa 150 in the winter, I would not be happy just because I have a petrol station installed in my driveway and can fill up whenever I want. The car would be getting returned. I have never seen such excessive reduction in mileage in the winter in any ICE car no matter what kind of journeys are being done, whether the heating is on or the rear end needs warmed. My 911 is beating the Tesla in winter range at this point......
Car has been charged to 90% and I will monitor my daily drain + miles achieved then report back. I have some longer journeys, 60 miles or so, to be integrated so let’s see what impact that has on acclaimed range out of a full (90%) charge.