Tesla self-parking RHD - lagging way behind the competition

[moa999]

Really good UK video.

Interesting result that the Tesla AP1 was actually decent, but things have badly regressed.

Wonder if this is specific to RHD cars, and LHD cars work better?

 

[goRt]

Yep, I'm too scared to try parallel parking and in 3 years I've been offered the bay parking twice, I accepted it once and abandoned it after sawing backwards and forwards with a queue of other cars building (it was a vision park into a bay with both adjacent slots empty)

 

[Dan D.]

They couldn't get a result from the Teslas on perpendicular parking because none of the three Tesla's could "find" the available parking spot, even the AP1.

On parallel parking the Tesla AP1 did quite well. The two Tesla's on AP2 could not park properly and took ages. They were also unable to park when people were on the sidewalk but nowhere near an unsafe range of the car. The Ford, Audi, and BMW models chosen were almost identical. They didn't list the overall time taken for each model but it appeared to be about a minute or so each for those three and the AP1, the two AP2s took much longer. Manual parking for a good driver was of course just seconds. A worse driver would probably mess around for longer.

I didn't expect Tesla would do quite so badly. When even Ford parked well, I don't see why there should be any acceptable stan excuses, but we'll see what they come up with. One excuse I saw already was that the Model S is larger so it wasn't a fair test. Why should it come down to "not a fair test", it's parking a car. BTW the Model S is listed as 1964mm wide and the Audi E-tron GT is listed as 1964mm wide, so that seems a lame attempt at an excuse. The length of the car was irrelevant as the cars fit the spot manually.

 

[JulienW]

It is a legacy system that hasn't received much attention (like Summon) since it is "full speed ahead" on FSD Beta/City Driving. After full stack integration they will have to update the parking to use vision and the full power of FSD Beta.

If you have FSD Beta there is an updated perpendicular parking that uses vision and while excruciatingly slow does do a MUCH better job.

 

[goRt]

It is a legacy system that hasn't received much attention (like Summon) since it is "full speed ahead" on FSD Beta/City Driving. After full stack integration they will have to update the parking to use vision and the full power of FSD Beta.

If you have FSD Beta there is an updated perpendicular parking that uses vision and while excruciatingly slow does do a MUCH better job.

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Can confirm that on the rare occasions it notices a spot it is excruciatingly slow

 

[randompixel]

It is a legacy system that hasn't received much attention (like Summon) since it is "full speed ahead" on FSD Beta/City Driving. After full stack integration they will have to update the parking to use vision and the full power of FSD Beta.

If you have FSD Beta there is an updated perpendicular parking that uses vision and while excruciatingly slow does do a MUCH better job.

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I was wondering if the perpendicular parking failed so badly because the Tesla is expecting there to be painted lines of which there was none in the workshop.

 

[JulienW]

I was wondering if the perpendicular parking failed so badly because the Tesla is expecting there to be painted lines of which there was none in the workshop.

Legacy perpendicular (and parallel) parking uses the ultrasonics only (not vision) and must detect cars to park in-between. Also legacy Parking may depend some on map data, knowing it is a parking area.

if you are on Beta then yes it needs lines to park.

 

[FLMan]

It is a legacy system that hasn't received much attention (like Summon) since it is "full speed ahead" on FSD Beta/City Driving.

I would have thought they would move these along at the same pace. What's the point of driving into the city if you can't park when you get there? And have the car come pick you up with all your packages in a torrential downpour (summon)? Screw the Ford kick lifter for the trunk after getting drenched to walk out to the car.

 

[goRt]

I would have thought they would move these along at the same pace. What's the point of driving into the city if you can't park when you get there? And have the car come pick you up with all your packages in a torrential downpour (summon)? Screw the Ford kick lifter for the trunk after getting drenched to walk out to the car.

You should jump in as the car passes

 

[glide]

What an embarrassment for Tesla.

The fact that AP1 handles this maneuver perfectly really underscores the fact they should have stuck with MobilEye. Imagine where AP/FSD would be today if they had.

 

[KArnold]

I like having different tones for front v. rear proximity.

 

[goRt]

I like having different tones for front v. rear proximity.

I like them in quadraphonic

 

[Lleo]

You would think that parking would be way easier than FSD so they would at least be able to get that down. Big shame the competition has caught up and overtaken

 

[AndrewZ]

What an embarrassment for Tesla.

The fact that AP1 handles this maneuver perfectly really underscores the fact they should have stuck with MobilEye. Imagine where AP/FSD would be today if they had.

From the research I had done into this previously, MobilEye started backing off from the partnership after one of the early Autopilot crashes into the broad side of a tractor trailer. They believed Tesla was being far too liberal with the testing and deployment, taking on far too much risk and trying to use a "brute force" improvement path through the data collection methods on public roads. If I recall correctly, Elon's statements at the time were that the backbone of MobilEye's system was easy to replicate, and thus they broke off to do their own thing.

Now we have a lot of uninformed fans who believe Tesla is the leader in data collection and know nothing about the history, know nothing about MobilEye being the true originator of all this stuff and having their technology in vehicles of all shapes/sizes across an array of manufacturers all around the world.


My 2021 Genesis GV80 will park itself while you stand outside of the vehicle

 

[glide]

From the research I had done into this previously, MobilEye started backing off from the partnership after one of the early Autopilot crashes into the broad side of a tractor trailer. They believed Tesla was being far too liberal with the testing and deployment, taking on far too much risk and trying to use a "brute force" improvement path through the data collection methods on public roads. If I recall correctly, Elon's statements at the time were that the backbone of MobilEye's system was easy to replicate, and thus they broke off to do their own thing.

Now we have a lot of uninformed fans who believe Tesla is the leader in data collection and know nothing about the history, know nothing about MobilEye being the true originator of all this stuff and having their technology in vehicles of all shapes/sizes across an array of manufacturers all around the world.


My 2021 Genesis GV80 will park itself while you stand outside of the vehicle

Yeah it’s crazy how quickly that partnership dissolved and how Elon attempted to spin it.

7 years later, Tesla is still trying to play catch-up to a system that had ONE camera.

 

[LowlyOilBurner]

My SPA Volvos had a pretty killer self park system. It had a “park out” function that would pull the car out of a parallel park. Pretty neat.

 

[45thParallel]

Tesla does not have cameras looking down from the roof nor low height front camera's. If Tesla offered 360 view, curb rash would disappear. Right now it is hard to figure out where the front wheel if when parking in narrow parking slots.

 

[positiv]

Tesla does not have cameras looking down from the roof nor low height front camera's. If Tesla offered 360 view, curb rash would disappear. Right now it is hard to figure out where the front wheel if when parking in narrow parking slots.

I agree. Having a view around the car would be very helpful. Especially at the front.
A self parking system that actually works would also be good.

 

[Goose66]

Tesla Autopark has been crap from the beginning (at least my beginning in 2018). I've never had an AP1 car, though.

 

[emmz0r]

It is a legacy system that hasn't received much attention (like Summon) since it is "full speed ahead" on FSD Beta/City Driving. After full stack integration they will have to update the parking to use vision and the full power of FSD Beta.

If you have FSD Beta there is an updated perpendicular parking that uses vision and while excruciatingly slow does do a MUCH better job.

Seems like Tesla is lacking the funds to have a dedicated team to improve the legacy stack. The new "single stack" will take forever to trickle down to regular AP etc. Meanwhile these lackluster features that lags behind other automakers is just embarrassing and does not instill confidence.

My SPA Volvos had a pretty killer self park system. It had a “park out” function that would pull the car out of a parallel park. Pretty neat.

Nice, it would be nice to see all the features in video clips