Tesla Supercharger network

[Drucifer]

there are many holes in the network, hopefully they will be filled in. In 3 years extraordinary progress has been made and I am guessing that in time the major routes in the US will have SpC coverage.

While I agree progress has been huge, not connecting NYC to Chicago via Cleveland seems like a major miss at this point, with it being 2016 and all.

 

[viperboy]

I totally understand the "selling" aspect to superchargers, but these are for long distance travel - people don't get that? We have none in Miami and one in Ft. Lauderdale (might be splitting hairs to those not in S Fl) to serve 6 million people. The idea is not to charge up on the way to whole foods, it's to charge up on the way to Orlando or the Florida Keys.

 

[callmesam]

I totally understand the "selling" aspect to superchargers, but these are for long distance travel - people don't get that? We have none in Miami and one in Ft. Lauderdale (might be splitting hairs to those not in S Fl) to serve 6 million people. The idea is not to charge up on the way to whole foods, it's to charge up on the way to Orlando or the Florida Keys.

Take all ideas/complaints about long distance vs local charging to Elon Musk:

ELON MUSK:

We’re putting Superchargers in cities, not just between cities. And this is obviously important in places like, you know, Beijing, Shanghai, London, San Francisco, New York, where at times people may have a challenge with having a fixed parking space. It’s more like some of those people don’t have a definitive parking space. And they might have street parking or something, you know.

http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/tesla-earnings-call-transcript-q1-2014...

 

[TexasEV]

That's exactly what I said (post 7506), and even used London as an example. No one is disputing this. However that doesn't apply to most of Southern California where people with high end cars generally have a garage or driveway to park in (and charge). They're not looking for a parking spot on the street near their home as they would in London, New York, etc.

 

[callmesam]

That's exactly what I said (post 7506), and even used London as an example. No one is disputing this. However that doesn't apply to most of Southern California where people with high end cars generally have a garage or driveway to park in (and charge). They're not looking for a parking spot on the street near their home as they would in London, New York, etc.

My experience is the opposite. I purchased as a renter without garage parking. By way of illustration, I have two neighbors who have purchased the Model S. One lives in condos without fixed parking and the other rents an apartment with street parking.

In my neighborhood, a two bedroom often run from $2500-$40000 allowing many renters to afford a Model S or X but still have no solution to charging.

And beyond anecdotes, the numbers back that up. High rents and many renters in SoCal.

Los Angeles Has The Highest Percentage Of Renters In The US

"Now a new report (pdf) from the Joint Center for Housing Studies at Harvard University reveals that Los Angeles actually has the highest percentage of renters in any major US metro area: 52 percent of Angelenos were renters in 2012, compared to 35 percent nationwide (and 30 percent in St. Louis, which has the lowest percentage). One of the researchers involved tells KPCC that's in part "a reflection of the high housing costs in the area and a younger population as well."

 

[callmesam]

Harris County (Houston) population is 4.5 million and has 1 supercharger.
The Dallas-Ft. Worth Metroplex population is 7.1 million and has 1 supercharger.
I'd say Southern California is well served compared to other population centers, especially as San Diego isn't on the way to anywhere but Mexico and the Pacific Ocean. Remember superchargers are primarily to enable long distance travel and not for the convenience of local owners, with certain exceptions such as London where dedicated parking spaces are rare.

Population of Humans vs Population of Teslas: My previous comments assumed CA has the highest total number of owners and, outside Norway, the highest density of Tesla ownership.

5% US sales in TX vs 45% in California (As of September 2015).
California Leads Nation In Tesla Model S Sales, But Which Other States Are In Top 10?

TX Model S sales of 1800 Vehicles TOTAL through 1/1/2015
No Direct Model S Sales For Tesla In Texas, But Still 1,800 Sales Nonetheless

That relates to Supercharger
14 TX Superchargers vs 51 CA Superchargers*
*Includes permit and construction

Food for thought.

 

[SpiceWare]

Imagine how much higher those Texas sales would be if you could use Superchargers to get from Houston/Dallas/Fort Worth/Austin/San Antonio to El Paso/Laredo/Brownsville. You can barely get to Lubbock, but only if you detour through Oklahoma City.

Food for thought.

 

[callmesam]

Imagine how much higher those Texas sales would be if you could use Superchargers to get from Houston/Dallas/Fort Worth/Austin/San Antonio to El Paso/Laredo/Brownsville. You can barely get to Lubbock, but only if you detour through Oklahoma City.

Food for thought.

Not very much, IMO, but even if I'm wrong and TX sales increase 50%, then TX would still represent a very small number of cars relative to California and the rest of the world. Putting aside whether it boosts sales, It's still a good use of resources for Tesla to connect the TX with the rest of the US (as I posted above.)

60 Supercharger and the lower 48. is "done". Here's why:

12 Superchargers needed Tucson AZ to San Antonio TX
6 Superchargers needed Dallas to Nashville
8 Superchargers needed Omaha to Denver
12 Superchargers needed Billings MT to Minneapolis
5 Superchargers needed Salt Lake City to Cheyenne
4 Superchargers needed NYC to Cleveland
13 assorted connectors

 

[SpiceWare]

Per the numbers at Model3Tracker, Texas Model 3 reservations account for 7% of the US - and that's with the limited Supercharger buildout we've seen so far.

California accounts for 25% of M3 reservations. Imagine that, there's a drop in California's percentage after the expansion of the Supercharger network into the rest of the country.

 

[napabill]

NEBRASKA - Was at the Tesla event at Custer, SD tonight and chatted with lady who owns a motel in Ogallala, NE and says she will be having discussions with Tesla about a 6 station SC at her motel on June 1. She also indicated they are in discussions for one in North Platte. Thought you'd want to know.

 

[chargeshare]

NEBRASKA - Was at the Tesla event at Custer, SD tonight and chatted with lady who owns a motel in Ogallala, NE and says she will be having discussions with Tesla about a 6 station SC at her motel on June 1. She also indicated they are in discussions for one in North Platte. Thought you'd want to know.

Great news for I-80, though I had hoped they were further along and we had just not found the details out. Any idea which hotel it might be?

 

[napabill]

Great news for I-80, though I had hoped they were further along and we had just not found the details out. Any idea which hotel it might be?

Didn't ask but she said they were right on I-80.

 

[Chuq]

Didn't ask but she said they were right on I-80.

Looking at Google Maps it would be either the Quality Inn or the Holiday Inn Express - there are a couple of others but they don't appear to be right on the highway.:

 

[napabill]

Pretty sure she owns the Holiday Inn Express.

 

[Benz]

Update including May 21st, 2016:

North America
2012: 0 + 0 + 0 + 7 = 7
2013: 0 + 2 + 13 + 28 = 43
2014: 32 + 16 + 19 + 35 = 102
2015: 42 + 19 + 22 + 30 = 113
2016: 11 + 6 + 0 + 0 = 17
Total: 7 + 43 + 102 + 113 + 17 = 282

Europe
2013: 0 + 0 + 5 + 8 = 13
2014: 0 + 10 + 42 + 53 = 105
2015: 19 + 19 + 32 + 24 = 94
2016: 10 + 5 + 0 + 0 = 15
Total: 13 + 105 + 94 + 15 = 227

Asia Pacific (Currently: China, Japan, Australia)
2014: 0 + 3 + 16 + 39 = 58
2015: 15 + 5 + 15 + 19 = 54
2016: 7 + 6 + 0 + 0 = 13
Total: 58 + 54 + 13 = 125

Global total: 282 + 227 + 125 = 634

2012 Global total: 7 + 0 + 0 = 7
2013 Global total: 43 + 13 + 0 = 56
2014 Global total: 102 + 105 + 58 = 265
2015 Global total: 113 + 94 + 54 = 261
2016 Global total: 17 + 15 + 13 = 45

Q1 2013 total: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Q2 2013 total: 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
Q3 2013 total: 13 + 5 + 0 = 18
Q4 2013 total: 28 + 8 + 0 = 36

H1 2013: 0 + 2 = 2
H2 2013: 18 + 36 = 54

Q1 2014 total: 32 + 0 + 0 = 32
Q2 2014 total: 16 + 10 + 3 = 29
Q3 2014 total: 19 + 42 + 16 = 77
Q4 2014 total: 35 + 53 + 39 = 127

H1 2014: 32 + 29 = 61
H2 2014: 77 + 127 = 204

Q1 2015 total: 42 + 19 + 15 = 76
Q2 2015 total: 19 + 19 + 5 = 43
Q3 2015 total: 22 + 32 + 15 = 69
Q4 2015 total: 30 + 24 + 19 = 73

H1 2015: 76 + 43 = 119
H2 2015: 69 + 73 = 142

Q1 2016 total: 11 + 10 + 7 = 28 (in 91 days) Average = 0.3077
Q2 2016 total: 6 + 5 + 6 = 17 (in 51 days) Average = 0.3333

2016 annual average (so far): 45 in 142 days = 0.3169

"261 new live Supercharger stations in 365 days (in 2015). The average is more than 0.7150 per day (in 2015)". The average in 2014 was 0.7260 (= 265/365). The total for 2014 + 2015 = 526. And that sure is extraordinary progress. Let's see how that will continue in 2016, 2017, etc

 

[ecarfan]

@Benz, thanks for the update. The growth of the SC network continues unabated. It is astounding to consider that less than 4 years ago there were ZERO Superchargers. Tesla was a tiny company but had the vision to see the necessity of building out an extensive high-speed DC charging network. Now, almost 4 years later, not other car company has even begun to build such a network (Nissan's pathetic scattering of L2 chargers at dealerships counts for nothing). Tesla has a huge competitive advantage that it continues to build on.

Almost every non-EV owner that I talk to has never heard of the Tesla Supercharger network. The Model 3 will launch with a huge advantage over the GM Bolt and every other EV. GM appears to be clueless as to the importance of a high-speed charging network. If they started building one tomorrow they wouldn't catch up to Tesla for many years. It doesn't matter how much money another car company allocates to building such a network, it takes time and focus to create. Money is only part of what is needed.

 

[glenhurst]

Pretty sure she owns the Holiday Inn Express.

I'm not sure if Holiday Inns are company-owned or franchises, but there seem to be a higher proportion of SCs and destination chargers popping up at Holiday Inns over the past year. Having established some sort of precedent/history, Tesla may be focusing more on Holiday Inns. That's my wager.

 

[kort677]

I'm not sure if Holiday Inns are company-owned or franchises, but there seem to be a higher proportion of SCs and destination chargers popping up at Holiday Inns over the past year. Having established some sort of precedent/history, Tesla may be focusing more on Holiday Inns. That's my wager.

Holiday Inns, like most hotel chains are franchises. Think McDonalds.
someone there at holiday inn was wise and figured out that putting SpCs adjacent to their properties would draw in clients. I know it worked on me, on my cross country trips I stayed in a holiday inn (for better and worse) 7 out of 8 nights while on the road.

 

[Cosmacelf]

Wow, Tesla SC opening really has slowed down a lot. I hope the $1.4B raised will provide a jump start for this effort.

 

[thx1139]

Wow, Tesla SC opening really has slowed down a lot. I hope the $1.4B raised will provide a jump start for this effort.

There are 19 under construction in US alone right now. Suspect most of them will open before end of June. There are 17 other open permits in the US as well. Those are just the ones we know about. Over the last week 3 permits were found and then immediately were changed to construction.