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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

Paracelsus

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Mar 27, 2015
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Let's not overlook the likelihood that Elon and perhaps Hiro Mizuno may have intentionally seized this moment to fire up the Spanking Machine on Level 11. And this isn't just because of the relative puny size of this meager $5B offering to provide less than 10% of the shares that will be bought during the S&P500 inclusion run-up by adding less than 1% dilution. This may be the ultimate "Go away or I shall taunt you a 2nd time" from behind Tesla's moat on top of their ever-growing castle.

IMO it was 1 week ago when Michael Burry essentially admitted to the world that he had 'Burryied' himself financially and 'Burryied' his reputation with his large TSLA short position when he announced through Twitter:

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Burry refers to Elon as a 'Good Guy' in the Tweet, despite the fact that he was revealing his large Short position against TSLA......essentially revealing he had taken a position that benefits when TSLA fails. And he does so by pleading with Elon to "issue 25-50% of your shares at the current ridiculous price". Elon owns roughly 34 million shares - so Burry is asking him to sell between 8.5 million and 17 million shares, and doing so while claiming that the price at that time (approximately $575) was a "ridiculous price".

Now 1-week after Michael's plea for a Elon to sell some of his own shares............we see Elon/TSLA issue a statement that TSLA intends to raise $5Billion in Capital with the sale of 'NEW' shares (not Elon's), and the number of shares that will be sold at even higher prices than Burry's rediculous $575 plea will be approximately equal to 25% of Elon's shares that he personally holds. And at current prices that amount of shares is almost Exactly the low end number of shares Burry was pleading with Elon to sell!

Yes, Elon definitely Burryied Burry with the irony of that play IMO. And he did so without significantly reducing his control of the company in any way, shape of form. That is also significantly important IMO. I will be respectful of @AudubonB request to avoid further discussion of Elon's net worth and its impact on the future of TSLA, so I will only mention that historically Elon had to hold as many shares as he does or risk a hostile takeover by others, and that this isn't the first time we have seen people calling Elon a bad person for having so many shares....and that those moments usually coicided with Shorts getting a little too much squeezed in their ever tightening Short Shorts

 
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TheTalkingMule

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Oct 20, 2012
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Something that slipped through this year, for me anyway, is the impact of SP rise on employee retention.

Per electrek this summer, most employees get between $20-40k in options that vest over 3 years. With regular production employees now sitting on $100-600k in options, EVERYONE will stick it out to vest.

Anyone hired in 2019 will be here well into 2022 and won't get poached.
 

X Fan

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Sep 29, 2015
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Some time ago I disclosed here that I had sold a few shares. I ddi that in order to establish a cash reserve adequate to ensure that all my cash needs could be met without either borrowing or liquidating other investments. Of course, had I kept those shares I have more wealth today. Frankly I don't need more wealth as much as I need absolute peace of mind.

Many of us think such attitudes are short-sighted. However, adequate cash reserves is fundamental to sound financial management. I had put capital gains ahead of that prudence for some time, assuming I could always generate more cash. Now I am no longer generating outside income. Ergo, much larger cash reserves.

It is always prudent to realize that financial management is quite different depending on ones sources and quantities of reserves and earned income.

Great post...now if only Governments around the world would heed your call.....
 
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lafrisbee

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Dec 13, 2019
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On the first day of Christmas my company gave to me.
A factory in Italy.
Is it 12 days before Christmas (or the Inclusion Date). I suggested we start a "Twelve days of Tesla" song by posting suggestions after hours, and picking the winner before AH closes.
I was working with "On the First day of Inclusion Elon gave to me a hibernating bat in a Pine tree."
 

Green Pete

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Oct 8, 2016
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It's taken Gary quite long to come to this realisation. VA is one of the very few people I block on Twitter.... absolutely psycho.

I value his input because he's critical of Tesla but knows enough to know it's a good investment. It too often feels like an echo chamber in my circle. Even if he's wrong with most of his criticism, if he's right sometimes it's good to be aware of it.
 

FrankSG

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Jun 27, 2019
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Much higher volume at nearly 11M shares traded in the first ten minutes already, and we're closing in on a breakeven point for the day. There is obviously still a LOT of buying pressure on this stock.

~5M of that was pre-market. Volume is currently quickly cratering. It's not the lowest volume we've seen in recent weeks, but it's not the highest either. It's really not that special.

Let's see if it picks up after 10AM.
 

Knightshade

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Jul 31, 2017
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If timing is right, it would be optimal, especially for those who bought on margin. I for one fall in that camp. I unloaded all my margin TSLA shares earlier today for a decent profit and plan to buy back in later at a discount. The margin loan eats into the gains if holding the large amount of shares over time if TSLA trades sideways. But my cash bought TSLA shares are going nowhere. They're gold and won't be sold anytime soon.


Ditto- sold my margin shares in PM before the SP dropped much.

I only keep margin shares around to sell CCs against them anyway (and thus don't care about them being called- though I wasn't selling CCs since inclusion announcement)- this let me book ~20k profit per 100 and not have to worry about if the market reacts super stupidly in the short term to the secondary.

And I've still got effectively many thousands of shares of exposure to upside via options I own that are all good into various times next year that this blip won't do much to.
 
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