Seems fairly in the ballpark range most people are assuming (200k +/- 5k)
-
Want to remove ads? Register an account and login to see fewer ads, and become a Supporting Member to remove almost all ads.
Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
- Thread starter AudubonB
- Start date
IMO we will get that eventually...
The reason for starting with the yoke is clearly that Tesla thinks it is the better option, what customers will prefer is hard to judge,,
My best guess is a 50/50 split, or perhaps 60/40 in favor of the yoke, and that might go higher..
Regardless, they need the option of a wheel at some stage, and it will not be hard to do.. The cost of a wheel and a yoke will be around the same...
The only issue is inventory, maybe all cars will be built with the most popular option, and service/delivery will swap them out...
Or they may build in batches, split according to popularity...
Initially it is easier to just build all cars with a yoke, and tap those orders...
By removing the top section of the steering wheel, Tesla is preemptively eliminating hand placements that can increase the odds of being injured by the airbag in a collision. Hands at 9 and 3 is recommended these days, 12 is right out (unless backing up without a camera)
This should improve insurance rates due to lower medical costs.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/steeringtechniques.pdf
(Yoke does impact the application of the large turn methods)
This should improve insurance rates due to lower medical costs.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/steeringtechniques.pdf
(Yoke does impact the application of the large turn methods)
StealthP3D
Well-Known Member
Been watching Bloomberg all morning - they are repeatedly calling the China “recall” as “catastrophic for Tesla in China“, every 30 minutes at least they have a story on it. Just once have I seen any mention of it on air as being an online update, and even then the anchor didnt acknowledge it and immediately pivoted to the $5000 EV cars competing with Tesla. Also conflating it with the silly protest from earlier in the quarter.
Manipulators gotta manipulate. They'll push this nonsense until they get the SP they want, then they move on to the next manipulation. A shame there are so many people out there who swallow this trash and then sell on command.
Futes are quiet. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves.
Where is the benefit for the stockholder when the stock price is artificially suppressed for five years? Or when the company is artificially driven into bankruptcy? I feel that any Elon public-traded company will be targeted for price-suppression or artificial volatility.Then where does the benefit come for the shareholder?
These companies that go public to access the capital markets to grow offer the best growth.
I do not want a company that has already grown to then access the markets, such as GoPro where they all cashed out. GPRO
GPRO - GoPro Inc. Stock Price and Quote
GPRO - GoPro Inc. - Stock screener for investors and traders, financial visualizations.finviz.com
Elon is counting on Starlink (and Tesla) to fund his Mars colonization. I think Elon would prefer to have a company at roughly the point Tesla is NOW before taking it public.
The Accountant
Active Member
I have been seeing horror stories on Shipping Container price increases as well.
My guess is that the cost increase on RORO ships (used for vehicles) is not as acute due to the chip shortage impacting some OEMs.
Also, Telsa's Sourcing department would have entered into a multi-year contract with the large shipping fleets keeping costs somewhat in check.
Here is an article that mentions VW entering into a 3 year contract with HYUNDAI GLOVIS. I'm sure prices can rise during the contract term but usually with some limits.
Hyundai Glovis secures $431.8 mln deal to ship Volkswagen cars | Aju Press
SEOUL --Hyundai Glovis, the logistics wing of South Koreas Hyundai auto group, has secured a long-term contract worth 518.2 billion won ($431.8 million) to ship finished cars produced by Volkswagen from Europe to China. With the deal, the South Korean company can increase the loading rate of...
www.ajudaily.com
"The driver should use the area on the wheel between 11 and 8 o’clock with the left hand and the area on the wheel between 1 and 8 o’clock with the right hand regardless of the direction of the turn."
The yoke makes this impossible. Also impossible is one hand steering as described in those guidelines. Hand over hand steering must be used even at high speeds with the yoke, as seen in Youtube videos. Shouldn't the resulting injuries cause insurance rates to increase?
Bloomberg appears to have gone into full FUD mode regarding Tesla. The headline reads, "Tesla Dealt Big Blow as Almost All Cars in China Need Safety Fix". That article tried to fit in every bit of negative nonsense it could, including not mentioning that the claim of brake failure was retracted. Do they have any notion how simple it is to perform an over-the-air software update? And this was to change something not actually wrong with the car, but to prevent drivers from doing something that they should not.
2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
... and when you first met Arthur Dent you called yourself Phil, right?
But, you only had the one head and the two arms then ...
Last edited:
At first I was bothered by all of this yoke talk gumming up the investment thread, but now I understand that it’s actually spontaneous performance art.
You guys are brilliantly demonstrating how adding a controversial feature to a production-constrained flagship product can drive word-of-mouth advertising, ultimately boosting sales of more readily-available mass-market models.
Geniuses. All of you!!
Well played TMC.
You guys are brilliantly demonstrating how adding a controversial feature to a production-constrained flagship product can drive word-of-mouth advertising, ultimately boosting sales of more readily-available mass-market models.
Geniuses. All of you!!
Well played TMC.
MODERATOR -
Not only has this topic - not unexpectedly - turned way Off Topic for an Investors’ forum, but it now is being populated not only with personal opinions but with BAD MISINFORMATION.
And so….I will have the last word on this subject, ===>after which it will not appear more in this thread.<===
1. What is WRONG with the above is that it is presented as though these hand positions are how NHTSA asserts one should hold the steering wheel. This is NOT SO. This is how they recommend manipulating the wheel during a turn. It obviously is not how a yoke should be manipulated during a turn.
2. How NHTSA recommends one holds the wheel during normal driving is fully explained in many states’ DMV pages; the following is from California.
In summary, a yoke is a perfect combination of safe holding, safe viewing of any screen that might be in front of a steering wheel, and a safe site for which to be positioning one’s hands in the microseconds before and during the deployment of an air bag:
Steering
Recommendations for steering control and hand positions differ from vehicle to vehicle based on the size, age, speed, and responsiveness of the vehicle. While there is no one correct hand position or way to steer, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has provided some basic guidelines.Hand Position
If you think of the steering wheel as the face of a clock, place your hands at 9 and 3 o’clock, or slightly lower at 8 and 4 o’clock. To reduce face, arm, and hand injuries in the case of a deployed air bag, you should grip the outside of the steering wheel, with your knuckles on the outside of the wheel, and your thumbs stretched along the rim.
When I was 16 I could drive a stick shift, smoke, and eat Chinese food at the same time. Not something to be proud of, but I think the yoke will be manageable for any competent driver.
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
Obviously I'm a great fan and always appreciative of your time and efforts, but demanding an OT line of discussion end then immediately following it with a post on the OT topic is too much!
Chaos! Anarchy!
When the moderators on TMC forum need to twice in one day ban a topic and nobody can agree on something as simple as a steering wheel change and argue about ideal hand positions for driving.
So far, that has been the best technical indicator I’ve seen in my brief couple of years here.
Similar threads
- Locked
- Locked
- Locked
